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(11-25-2022, 01:39 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: I believe its not very common, but its still a quite frequently seen behavior. Current examples is Afsaal males,I believe S. Shishangeni was already dominant over a pride, and then he formed a coalition with EBM.
Dont think S. Shishangeni was already dominant, any evidence on that?
(11-25-2022, 01:39 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Another example is territorial Kumana male forming a coalition with young Maputo male.
That was strange, but prob the reason is the age of Kumana male, he was prob losing grip on his territory (similar like DM) and eventually give up fighting Maputo and accepted him (Maputo is also quite young and this was his first challenge for territory, so he was not as agressive, and accepted Kumana aswell ), prime male would definitely not do that or that the other, invading male, was already territorial before (like DM and Imbali situation).
(11-25-2022, 01:39 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: An older and well known example is The last West Street male not kicking out Makuhlu from the pride, as if he is trying to get him to help defend the territory.
Makhulu was not part of WSM coalition, although they where quite tolerate of him, similar as Ross males where eventually towards BYM, i also think its the age factor of dominant males, prime males would be much more "agressive".
Also, there was a lot of examples like this, where territorial males tolerate their sons longer then they should, but eventually it never happened that they formed coalition while older ones remained territorial.
Quote:Dont think S. Shishangeni was already dominant, any evidence on that?
Before he was seen with EBM he was mating. Although Im not sure when exactly was he seen with females, but it was definitely a few months before he formed coalition with EBM. However things can change between that sighting and when he joined EBM, which is why this case could also be an overthrowned old male partnering with a younger male.
Quote:Makhulu was not part of WSM coalition, although they where quite tolerate of him, similar as Ross males where eventually towards BYM, i also think its the age factor of dominant males, prime males would be much more "agressive".
Also, there was a lot of examples like this, where territorial males tolerate their sons longer then they should, but eventually it never happened that they formed coalition while older ones remained territorial.
This is correct, many old males let their sons stay for way longer, as they know their old age will be disadvantageous against younger prime males, which is why WSM tolerated Makhulu but he was never considered part of the WSM. Makhulu just helped his dads defend the territroy.
So bascislly what im trying to say is, old males do tolerate their sons, but they dont see each other as the same coalition, they think their just "allies".
11-25-2022, 01:04 PM( This post was last modified: 11-25-2022, 01:05 PM by BigLion39 )
(11-24-2022, 11:26 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Wasn’t Notch still territorial when he kept his sons? ( my memory sucks).
Notch lost his brother Blonde Mane from the 3 Ridge Pride males Pavarotti, Romeo, and Clawed and was able to hold on to Marsh Pride for some time after, maybe a year or 2. The 3 males again came back and pushed Notch out with 7 of his sons. All 7 sons and Notch teamed up for a small time while nomadic. The 2 other sons from Tamu disappeared or went on their own giving us the famous 6 Notch coalition! But yeah Romeo, Clawed, and Pavarotti kicked them out before they formed a coalition... Maybe, iMHO, possibly the 5 sons bonded with Notch in the time Blonde Mane was killed and N1 held Marsh, but they were extremely young, probably just had been born when Blonde Mane was killed. But maybe?
11-26-2022, 07:01 PM( This post was last modified: 11-26-2022, 07:02 PM by Tr1x24 )
Finally some good photos of the bros together, and to go back to old discussion here, where folks where claiming that white male is significantly bigger then his 2 brothers, here we can see, that he is not.
Wind of changes in the lion dynamics in the reserve. It is great for them that they actually moved south into Manyeleti where the competition among male lions is on the low level. The young Birminghams should be able to create some nice territory for themselfs there.
(11-27-2022, 12:16 AM)Potato Wrote: Wind of changes in the lion dynamics in the reserve. It is great for them that they actually moved south into Manyeleti where the competition among male lions is on the low level. The young Birminghams should be able to create some nice territory for themselfs there.
Well, its too early to tell where they will end up, just few days ago they where still with the pride.
Who knows, based of previous movement of Bboys and Avocas, they might end up in Sabi Sands, white lion in Sabi Sands would be awesome.
So, is it know which females are with cubs/Ross males and which ones are mating and accepting Mbiris? Looks like another split on horizon, Birmingham Breakaway 2?
12-17-2022, 09:21 PM( This post was last modified: 12-17-2022, 09:21 PM by DARK MANE )
In slide 3 , probably Shaka mbiri.
In slide 4, Birmingham/ Birmingham breakaway pride.
In slide 5, young Birmingham/ Birmingham breakaway girl with newborn baby.
Birmingham Pride of lions
