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(10-15-2022, 10:33 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: I will post it here and maybe others I find it useful. Please note it’s from early 2021 so hasn’t been updated since.
Wow, what amazing reach this pride has had!
Historic. And this only picks up at the Old Skybeds generation and beyond.
Where does the Orpen super pride fit in? I remember reading that the original Koppies and Mbiri females came from that pride. I get confused between Orpen super pride and Birmingham pride.
(11-23-2022, 04:37 PM)DARK MANE Wrote: 2/2 Ross males.
Seems like they decide to stay with their young male sons instead of chasing them off.
Thats a common behavior among aging dominant males, they tend to "adopt" nomads or their own sons to help them keep their territory since they are getting old now.
11-24-2022, 08:20 PM( This post was last modified: 11-24-2022, 08:21 PM by Tr1x24 )
(11-24-2022, 07:31 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: Thats a common behavior among aging dominant males, they tend to "adopt" nomads or their own sons to help them keep their territory since they are getting old now.
Not so common, in fact, i cant remember or know any example of it.
Males usually form coalitions with their sons when they are nomads, not when they are still territorial males.
As they age and feel the years catch up. They will try to avoid more senseless conflicts. So where a couple of intruding young males or kicked out sons were first chased off out of principle They may be left alone or allowed to eat provided they dont try anything or overstay their welcome..
This fosters a familiarity that may later help in forming a coalition if they all are nomadic at the same time.
(11-24-2022, 07:31 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: Thats a common behavior among aging dominant males, they tend to "adopt" nomads or their own sons to help them keep their territory since they are getting old now.
Not so common, in fact, i cant remember or know any example of it.
Males usually form coalitions with their sons when they are nomads, not when they are still territorial males.
Wasn’t Notch still territorial when he kept his sons? ( my memory sucks).
(11-24-2022, 07:31 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: Thats a common behavior among aging dominant males, they tend to "adopt" nomads or their own sons to help them keep their territory since they are getting old now.
Not so common, in fact, i cant remember or know any example of it.
Males usually form coalitions with their sons when they are nomads, not when they are still territorial males.
Wasn’t Notch still territorial when he kept his sons? ( my memory sucks).
From what I know, Notch and his sons were pushed out of their territory by the invaders. I forgot what coalition.
(11-24-2022, 07:31 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: Thats a common behavior among aging dominant males, they tend to "adopt" nomads or their own sons to help them keep their territory since they are getting old now.
Not so common, in fact, i cant remember or know any example of it.
Males usually form coalitions with their sons when they are nomads, not when they are still territorial males.
Wasn’t Notch still territorial when he kept his sons? ( my memory sucks).
No, Notch was already ckicked of his territory, and then he formed a coalition with son.
11-25-2022, 01:39 AM( This post was last modified: 11-25-2022, 01:40 AM by Mdz123 )
(11-24-2022, 08:20 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(11-24-2022, 07:31 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: Thats a common behavior among aging dominant males, they tend to "adopt" nomads or their own sons to help them keep their territory since they are getting old now.
Not so common, in fact, i cant remember or know any example of it.
Males usually form coalitions with their sons when they are nomads, not when they are still territorial males.
I believe its not very common, but its still a quite frequently seen behavior. Current examples is Afsaal males,I believe S. Shishangeni was already dominant over a pride, and then he formed a coalition with EBM. Another example is territorial Kumana male forming a coalition with young Maputo male. An older and well known example is The last West Street male not kicking out Makuhlu from the pride, as if he is trying to get him to help defend the territory.
11-25-2022, 01:59 AM( This post was last modified: 11-25-2022, 02:01 AM by BA0701 )
The Ross Males also allowed BYM to linger well beyond the typical norms as well. I recall how a lot of people were surprised, in one of the last sightings of BYM with the Ross Males, when they allowed him to come feed on a kill beside them, after he had begun breaking away, including some who openly pondered if they might allow him to join them. For me there are so many unknowns about this current situation, that might be known to others. The Ross Males were rarely seen far from the core pride in years past, and still were with them recently. Do we know if these young males have begun breaking away already, or have they only been taking some walk-abouts, akin to what BYM did when he bumped into the Mbiri boys, and similar to Tsekedi in Savage Kingdom, when he went on a walk-about with his brothers only to return.
Also, the Ross Males remain dominant over the Birmingham Pride, right?
(11-24-2022, 07:31 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: Thats a common behavior among aging dominant males, they tend to "adopt" nomads or their own sons to help them keep their territory since they are getting old now.
Not so common, in fact, i cant remember or know any example of it.
Males usually form coalitions with their sons when they are nomads, not when they are still territorial males.
Wasn’t Notch still territorial when he kept his sons? ( my memory sucks).
No, Notch was already ckicked of his territory, and then he formed a coalition with son.
Birmingham Pride of lions
