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Big Cat Strength

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(01-06-2019, 10:14 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: Another video of a lion dragging a big eland carcass 




And here a male lion moves a buffalo bull. Much heavier than himself 




Many good videos lately with quite heavy animals, I think. Showing a lot of strength, but same time all proving, that when seeing in some document or book word "carry", it is some small animal or then writer have quite odd idea, what that word means.

For me this is still something what can be called carrying:





All other videos in this thread so far have been about dragging, IMO. So when seeing somewhere text claiming some predator carrying a cow or a horse.... what else can anyone do, but smile when thinking about sizes of a horse and a cow or a buffalo and trying to imagine a lion or tiger carrying something like that in mouth like a shopping bag :)
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( This post was last modified: 01-07-2019, 06:21 AM by Shadow )

Leopard makes it look like easy, no doubt about that.





In next one climbing to tree at 1:05 This one has to be watched in youtube, leopard dragging or in this case can be said carrying whole zebra carcass up to tree. Not adult zebra, but not small one either compared to leopard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REDv-PjhQ2Q&t=65s


One more even though not as big as that zebra before.




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1) small and light prey: the felid is carrying it...


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2) Medium and heavy prey: the felid is dragging it forward.


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3) quite heavy prey: the felid is dragging it backward.


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Here is one interesting. This caiman isn´t so big, but what is for me interesting to see is how it still struggles when jaguar has lifted it off water. No job for an animal with weak neck muscles either, even though not the biggest caiman hunted by jaguar. 




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@Shadow I remember you wanted to see a cat lifting an animal off the ground and walk away with it, here a lion lifts an apparently 180 kg wildebeest like it’s nothing. Big cats are very strong for sure :) 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUp1hojA6g5/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ta8btfmmsuam
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(01-25-2019, 02:58 AM)Pantherinae Wrote: @Shadow I remember you wanted to see a cat lifting an animal off the ground and walk away with it, here a lion lifts an apparently 180 kg wildebeest like it’s nothing. Big cats are very strong for sure :) 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUp1hojA6g5/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ta8btfmmsuam

Yes, that was a good one :) Something like that is, what I have been expecting to see from these animals. That size of prey these animals for sure drag some distances. Double that and then we see how also big cats "sweat" a little bit :)

But when there is for instance a video about a gorilla where it drags some small woman and is there another one with some small man a few meters and people comment like "WHOA" "UNBELIEVABLE STRENGTH"... this lion show here, that nothing special when comparing to other big animals :)

Here is one video about a lion, maybe for some this can be uncomfortable to watch, but as far as I know, that man survived even though injured. But some normal sized human is nothing for these animals.




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This was interesting study to look at what comes to bite forces.

http://www.academia.edu/239888/Bite_forc...s_Ecology_
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(01-25-2019, 03:29 AM)Shadow Wrote: Yes, that was a good one :) Something like that is, what I have been expecting to see from these animals. That size of prey these animals for sure drag some distances. Double that and then we see how also big cats "sweat" a little bit :)

I don't think bigcats "sweat"? Joking
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(01-25-2019, 06:35 PM)Panther Wrote:
(01-25-2019, 03:29 AM)Shadow Wrote: Yes, that was a good one :) Something like that is, what I have been expecting to see from these animals. That size of prey these animals for sure drag some distances. Double that and then we see how also big cats "sweat" a little bit :)

I don't think bigcats "sweat"? Joking

That´s why quotation marks with that word. Just a metaphor meaning, that needing more effort.
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(01-25-2019, 06:45 PM)Shadow Wrote: That´s why quotation marks with that word. Just a metaphor meaning, that needing more effort.

I know, i was just joking! Which is why I used a emoji at the end, LOL..
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BsdcfwqBlJ0/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=16v5x5ngs1vjx 

Insane strength, absolutley insane!
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Got up at 5:00 am with a little hope to see a tiger as the main park at Ranthambore is closed due to the monsoon season. Soon I was following a herd of cows (domestic) in the reserve area ? So all my hopes, if left any, were shattered.
Then this happened... watch the video. 

Tiger: T-34/ Male 
Location: Ranthambore, zone 6.
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I don't know where exactly to post this video, but here, it seems good to me...

It's a "conciliation" video by our Chinese describer.




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(05-16-2019, 11:56 AM)Spalea Wrote: I don't know where exactly to post this video, but here, it seems good to me...

It's a "conciliation" video by our Chinese describer.





I almost admire this youngster in the way how he makes comparisons :) Taking a still picture so, that lion is standing with straight leg and then tiger when leg is bent so, that looking as massive as possible :) And also a tiger with something wrong with elbow and some big lump there. Of course tigers have very muscular upper forelimbs and it looks like that they are in some way differently built than lions. I have found that always interesting that what is the case there, because when looking at footage, where they drag carcasses and do other things demanding strength, I have never been able to see there any difference. I find it fascinating, that even though some photos makes think in one way, performances are then again so equal in those cases, which people have been able to get on recordings.

But I have to put here one picture to show what I mean about comparing an animal with straight leg to another with bent leg. And yes, I think too, that tigers upper front leg is very impressive. But when making comparisons, those should be made in comparable way to make it fair :) Not like this guy making these videos does.

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@Shadow :

About #134: Yes, agree with you, he didn't exactly respect the same position when he made the comparaison, and of course the tiger is much more in the foregrund, so that his front leg seems even more impressive. More impressive but not as contracted, tense as the lion's front leg muscles. Because of course we don't consider the same positions

In order to very scrupulously compare these two big cats, we have to consider the same position submitted by the same body tension/strain (of course when you are simply walking, and approaching close to a prey, this isn't the same situation, the same muscles are submitted by a natural tension which doesn't exist in the first case). Besides, by showing two frontleg positions on the same animal you're already more objectiv as concerns the lion.
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