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Asiatic Lion - Data, Pictures & Videos

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(06-19-2014, 04:47 AM)Pckts Wrote: Using the little reliable information available, the Barbary lion (female and male) had a head-body length of 160-190 cm, a shoulder height of 80-100 cm and a greatest skull length with an average of 372.3 mm in males and 318.3 mm in females. These sizes are about the same than those of Indian and West Africa, with the exception of the relative larger skulls. 
With the weight issue, judging by its body size and skull dimensions, Barbary lions probably weighed up to 200 kg (and much less in average, probably between 160-170 kg) although there is the possibility of some exceptional specimens of probably up to 230 kg like the East African lions, or even 250 kg like the Southern African lions, but this last figure will be probably just an exaggeration in the northern areas of Africa. There is only a single report of Gérard of males up to 270-300 kg, but these are simple estimations and are completely unreliable, even Yamaguchi accept this.

 
The idea of its large size came from the large mane, but there are several captive Indian lions with heavy manes that weight less than 160 kg. There are several large lions with heavy manes in private facilities available in the web and the hard-core-lion-fans proclaim without any evidence that they are “Barbary”, but the truth is that none of them is pure Barbary or from any other population. Besides, any captive lion in cold climate can develop a large mane, so the mane is the worst factor to detect a Barbary lion.
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Again, here is the link of the TRUE data: http://animalbattle.yuku.com/topic/55/The-size-of-the-Barbary-lion#.UxZAHIX4JXY

Info on the barbary lions size compared to that of indian lions


Here is some tables on the evolutionary tree between lion subspeciesBarnett et al. (2009) confirms that Barbary lions and those from India are the about the same, genetically speaking.Here is the image of the evolutionary tree of the three different taxas of “lions”, plus a little ad

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Interesting, the DNA analysis showed that Barbary and Indian lions are about the same, even more closely related than some Cave lion population between them (intra-specifically).
 
This supports even more, the theory of Thapar et al. (2013), that lions from India were originated from Africa, and that the particular population of Gir probably came from the lions exported by the Mughals and Alexander the great, which take them from North Africa and Persia.
http://animalbattle.yuku.com/topic/55/Th...6IcQbGfY09


All of this is thanks to Gaute's hard work, hope this helps





 
 
Hey Pkcts! Apologies for opening this thread after such a long time!

The reason I opened this one is because a group of 29 researchers recently published a study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America (PNAS) ; here's the link to study: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1919423117. They generated the whole-genome sequence of extinct and living lions.

And, based on their research, they made two shocking claims (quoting directly from the study):

1. "Similarly, mitochondrial data from this study (SI Appendix, Fig. S1) and previous studies (1214) suggested that extinct North African lions shared a more recent common ancestor with Asiatic, rather than West African lions, which is incongruent with genome-wide data strongly linking North African lions with West African lions "    

And one of the conclusions of the study 

2. "Furthermore, they [our results] may be relevant to the Indian subcontinent, where today lions are only found around the Gir Forest on the Kathiawar Peninsula of Gujarat. First, consistent with previous publications (3446), we found no evidence to support the recent claim that the remaining population is not indigenous to the region, but instead were introduced from outside of India (47V. Thapar, R. Thapar, Y. Ansari, Exotic Aliens: The Lion & The Cheetah in India, (Aleph Book Company, New Delhi, 2013).) as our Indian lions are clearly genetically distinct to the other sampled populations ".

Since you seem to be the foremost authority on Asiatic lions on the forum, I'd like to get your opinion on: 1. What your thoughts are on the research methods the researchers have used and 2. What mistakes do you think the researchers have made with regard to this study?  (FWIW, I believe you are right the Gir lions were introduced by Mughals and Alexander).

Thank you very much!
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Wow thats interesting! Great find!
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He would've been 200-220 kg in his prime.

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A video of Mohan 



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