Size comparisons

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Quote:I’m sure huge male jaguars of upto 300lbs will dwarf small females of around 120lbs as your pictures show. That does not change the fact that typically the jaguar is the least sexually dimorphic of the 4 biggest pantherines, particularly in terms of cranial measurements.

And Cranial measurements don't change the fact that their Male v Female Body weights show similar differences between min and max weights for both sexes. 

Quote:The whole point of these features is to be variable, they will be more prominent in some males compared to others, that is how male quality is differentiated.

Also the dewlap has no connection or correlation to treeing kills, that doesn’t make any sense. Why would a sexually selected trait be associated with climbing with kills? If the dewlap did have some benefit for climbing trees males and females would both have it, especially since females cache kills more frequently. It also wouldn’t become more prominent with age.

Quote:With all due respect, it is obvious your grasp of evolutionary biology is limited but I don’t have the time to go into detail and explain to you how natural selection works.

And once again, Ruff on a Tiger hasn't been shown to have anything to do with quality and in fact many dominate males from Reserves all over have little to no ruff while other males with in the same reserve who are less dominate have larger ruffs... and vice versa

The Dewlap connection was of course a hypothesis based off the fact that certain Leopard sub species show far less necessity for a dewlap, especially in areas where Tree'd kills aren't done often. Also if a Dewlap contains muscle than of course as a Leopard matures and it continues to develop that muscle, it will get larger with age. Correlation ins't always causation but there is definitely something to look at there. Interesting enough, you claim Persian and Congo Basin Leopards as being the largest Leopards yet both probably show the least amount of Dewlap occurrence out of all I've named. Yes, females have no Dewlap, it is a male characteristic but it certainly isn't proof that Leopards somehow suffer from more competition than Jaguars in the Pantanal.  

Quote:With all due respect, it is obvious your grasp of evolutionary biology is limited but I don’t have the time to go into detail and explain to you how natural selection works.

With all due respect, it's obvious your lack of real world experience with Big Cats and the differences in their Habitat show through.
You think that all animals live by a set of rules that is explainable in a random study but give no credence to first hand accounts from people who've actually been there and have conflicting data against your claims.





So whether you try and Show Marley making a Larger Male submit as being "non territorial" or you claim anything over 119kgs as being exceptional or Jaguars live longer in the wild and thus they are less Territorial, you have been proven wrong on all those fronts.
Do I see you acknowledging that? No, of course not. 
You prefer to move past those false claims and start a different one.


The Pantanal is unlike any place on Earth and because of that, the Cats there are unique unto themselves.
I can run down a list on reasons why, I can do the same for the Crater in Tanzania or the Forests of Kanha. 
I can guarantee that anyone who's been to Kaziranga, The Delta, Terai Arc parks etc. can all do the same as well.

So In closing since this debate has taken many twists and turns I'll leave it at this

Jaguars in the Pantanal have no issue getting over 130kg, and if Adriano is 130kg like Fernando Tortato says "He's Rafael partner for Panthera and has actually taken over field work for quite some time" then you can guarantee that there are at least 2-4 other Males just in the meeting of the 3 Rivers alone who are larger than he is. 

Jaguar Sexual Dimorphism statistically shows just about the same range as any other Panthera. Remember, Weight differences between Sexes is one of the definitions of Sexual Dimorphism. 
"  distinct difference in size or appearance between the sexes of an animal in addition to difference between the sexual organs themselves."

Marley is a smaller sized male, he was comparable to Scar but dwarfed by Balwin, Fought the first male a week earlier and defeated him, the video you showed was the Male trying to save face with Marley and Marley was defeated handily by Balwin.  

Jaguar Density in the Pantanal is unlike anywhere else and the competition in the 3 Rivers is so strong that most Jaguars are never seen once they are kicked out and it's almost impossible to see cubs there since the Male presence is so high and Jaguar numbers have continued to increase for the past 20 years and thus Jaguars there have continued to grow big and strong. Reply