Size comparisons

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Average weight from one study in not even the same location?
Yet still smaller in skull size, body size, maximum weights and averages in the meeting of the 3 rivers. 


Most jaguars caught are baited, not sure what your point is.
There's also videos of empty Jags weighing 315lbs or 142kg captured by snare in the pantanal 

As you can see, there is no denying facts.
The Pantanal Jaguar is the largest jag on earth at this point in time.

Now onto what Panthera actually does and did in the panatanal.
Panthera is there to find a suitable corridor, they purchased a massive plot of land away from the main area and captured cats on their property to collar and see what corridor they are using.
Because the Pantanal Jaguars are such a mystery, they needed to research it. Now what makes them a mystery?

Young males when the disperse from the pantanal 1, let's call it, are rarely every seen back in the Pantanal 1 again. Infact that is what makes Marley so rare is because he's one of the few youngsters who stayed and was able to force his own territory with other older and larger males. The males that come in Pantanal 1 usually are 7-8 year old prime males and arent known to the area, no one even knows exactly where they come from. But what they do is build up size and experience then they come in and take over, they know that they cannot enter the best habitat on earth for Jaguars without being at their strongest. 
Why is it the best place on earth?
Simple, there are the most females there and prey density is at its highest.
Hence why the competition is so intense.

Paulo and Paul are by far the most knowledgeable researchers there, they are the ones who Panthera, NGO, BBC etc use when they need ID info, behavioral info or data analysis. Paul and Paulo are the ones in charge for the entire Jaguar individual data base there, no one else. 
Paulo would never say this himself but it's true.
They do this even with death threats commonly occurring, I'll get into more later.

In regards to getting weights, like I said already, Paulo works with Fernando who is in charge of weighing and measuring all the cats of the pantanal, I should have no issue getting them once I'm back in the states.
Paulo will also join this forum most likely and he'll be happy to educate anyone who wishes to learn.

I'm sorry to sound so matter of fact here but there really is no debate. Using a random study from 20+ years ago in different locations than the actual breeding ground of the largest Jags on earth is not correct when trying to compare them.

I'm sorry but sitting behind a keyboard trying to selectively pick data to make a false claim vs being there, learning from the people who have researched them for 30 years and have done so all over Latin America, including Venezuela is wrong. 
I mean be honest, what did you actually know about the Pantanal before this discussion happened?
I'm sure you thought like all of us that the Pantanal was the same and every jag from the pantanal should be categorized as the same. But the pantanal stretches through countries, it's as large if not larger than the serengeti and contains 3 completely different biomes.
I doubt any of us realized that Caiman pelts were killed and collected by the millions and Jaguars were hunted till almost extinction along side them. 
 
I will go into much more detail on the Pantanal and the immense struggles it faced and is facing now when I'm back in the states and able to post my photos and I'm sure Paulo will be happy to chime in when he's back from the Amazon and educate in a manner I could never even dream of.

It's simple, ask any researcher I've named about which Jaguars are the largest on earth, I guarantee they'll tell you the same.
Since you like using Rafeal, you should ask him or have @epaiva if he approves but stop trying to somehow think that a 5kg average difference based off Jags from competlely different areas 20 plus years ago somehow represent the Jags found in the Pantanal 1 or meeting of the 3 rivers. Reply