Size comparisons

[Shadow]

(04-25-2019, 03:35 PM)Luipaard Wrote:

(04-25-2019, 02:37 PM)Shadow Wrote: This is for Luipaard concerning thread rainforest leopards:


I was just checking, that I remembered right some charts. Sometimes it is easier to take one detail at the time. I find those skull measurements interesting just in that way, that what differences there are when compared to other leopards. Comparing to jaguars based on skull size, like it would mean something in overall sizes is much more complicated matter and I haven´t found your reasoning convincing in it. When looking at heads of jaguars and leopards, there just is that difference, I haven´t seen any leopard with as robust head as jaguars have. But of course jaguars are famous of their bite and they for sure look like to have muscle structure made for it.

A bit same as if you look at German shepherd and rottweiler. I am not sure about skull sizes, but it takes one look to know, which one has more robust muscles in head and jaws. So if you are trying to use length and width of skulls of leopards as some argument in it, that almost same skull size of leopard would mean about same body weight as jaguar has... then I have to say, that I haven´t yet found you convincing. But if you just use those skull measurements in comparison to other leopards, then it is a different thing.

Quote:I haven´t seen any leopard with as robust head as jaguars have.

Correct, but as I've showed already, Central African males have a more robust head than a South African leopard. These leopards have skulls closer to jaguars than any other leopard subspecies (bar Persians).

Quote:So if you are trying to use length and width of skulls of leopards as some argument in it, that almost same skull size of leopard would mean about same body weight as jaguar has...

No I just use this comparison to show that Central African leopards are larger than their South African counterpart. Isn't it interesting that their average skull size is about the same of Amazon jaguars (80kg) and Pantanal jaguaresses (78kg)? I find that interesting and proves to me that Central African males PROBABLY average around the same size. If some particular South African males average 70kg, why can't a more robust and larger subspecies like the Central African leopard average higher? There are a lot of indicators that this is the case.

Quote:But if you just use those skull measurements in comparison to other leopards, then it is a different thing.

Well do that comparison and you'll see that Central African leopards have a way higher average skull size than South African leopards. South African leopards usually average around 60-70kg depending which region. What are the odds that a Central African leopard will average the same? As you may know, skull measurements are a good indicator of how large an animal is. Researchers use this method to estimate an animal size aswell.

I'm just really into these particular leopards. Not a lot of people know all this information. These leopards, alongside Persian leopards are in a different league.

You can of course believe what you want, but I don´t believe that any leopards are as robust as jaguars with about same skeletal size because, as said, jaguars are overall more robust. Skull size alone doesn´t convince me and as said, you also ignore all the time it, that when you look head of jaguar and leopard, jaguar head is massive and looks like to have a lot more volume than leopard.

You are comparing here an overall slender animal to an overall robust animal and it just doesn´t make sense. I am very interested to hear when this "Jo" replies to you more and if she has some real information, not just "I think", "it might", "it looks like"... I have seen now some Gabon leopards and overall nothing so special yet. Are they a few kilos more in average than some other leopards, difficult to say from some photos or videos. Might be, but comparable to jaguars, that I don´t see there. Reply