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ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo)

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(09-06-2018, 03:54 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:
(09-04-2018, 07:04 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote: I have a question, are you sure that the figure of 120 cm in standing height cannot be reached by any lion, considering the limited populations of lions used in the study of Smuts et al. (https://zslpublications.onlinelibrary.wi....tb01433.x)? For Southern Africa in particular, Smuts et al. used samples from Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), the Kalahari region (divided between Botswana, Namibia and South Africa) and Kruger National Park in South Africa, and I would like to mention that Botswanan lions in the Okavango Delta have a peculiar physique, in which the front part of the body is noticeably more prominent than the rear, or the front limbs are noticeably more prominent than the hind limbs, making them somewhat similar to hyenas and saber-toothed cats, and this has to do with their unusual lifestyle of swimming or going through water or swamps: 

Photo of an Okavango lion by Steve Jurvetson on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/6758587589/ 
In fact, if you check the graphics in the document of Smuts et al. (1980), those shoulder measurements were taken by Dr Smuts and his team in the Kruger Park, and he specifically says that is not the standing height. There is no height reported for any other places in that paper.

A new study using cameras and lasers, also in Kruger, shows no male lion over 110 cm in standing height. If we only check pictures is very easy to be impresed by the size of those lions, but even a lion/tiger of 90 cm looks huge!

(09-18-2018, 07:32 AM)Smilodon-Rex Wrote:
(09-15-2018, 01:31 PM)johnny rex Wrote: Record Indian lion skull






A male lion skull, on mahogany mount, with plaque stating 'This male lion is one of the largest on record, length back to front 15 3/8th inches, width across the zigomatic arches 10 5/8th inches, dental formula 31/3121, Panthera Leo, Gir Forist, Kathiawara India 1902', 38cm deep.
Sold with license

https://www.goldingyoung.com/Lot/?sale=M...&id=544266

Not sure if it was measured over a straight line or not

Is the biggest Asiatic lion's skull record?

It doesn't have to be the biggest Asiatic lion's skull, because we shouldn't forget the fact that the Asiatic lion wasn't just in India, but also in other countries such as Iran (formerly called 'Persia', which is why the Asiatic lion's also known as the "Persian lion", especially in Iran, which is keen on the latter name even today, rather than the name "Indian lion": https://books.google.com/books?id=esV0hc...on&f=false, https://books.google.com/books?id=t2EZCS...on&f=false, https://theiranproject.com/blog/2014/02/...to-persia/
persia, https://ifpnews.com/news/homeland/nature...sian-lion/), and though the Iranian lion may be extinct, specimens from Iran were around for scientific studies: 

- Skin of Shirea the Persian lioness in the National Museum of Ireland in Dublin: https://www.museum.ie/The-Collections/Do...an-Lioness 

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- Barnett et al. had used 2 skulls from Iran for a study which showed that the Asiatic lion is closely related to the Barbary lion of North Africa: https://web.archive.org/web/200708081825...0lions.pdf 

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- Bertola et al. had A-DNA from Iran, labelled "Haplotype 28" or "H28", and this study showed that the Asiatic and Barbary lions are also related to West and (north) Central African lions, and to an extent, Northeast African lions: https://www.nature.com/articles/srep3080..._evolution 

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RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - BorneanTiger - 09-18-2018, 01:49 PM
Panthera leo in Europe - brotherbear - 04-28-2017, 07:46 PM
RE: Panthera leo in Europe? - Polar - 04-28-2017, 10:24 PM
RE: Panthera leo in Europe? - GrizzlyClaws - 04-29-2017, 01:43 AM
RE: Panthera leo in Europe? - brotherbear - 04-29-2017, 03:01 AM
RE: Panthera leo in Europe? - GrizzlyClaws - 04-29-2017, 03:17 AM
RE: Panthera leo in Europe? - GrizzlyClaws - 04-29-2017, 03:29 AM
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