Lions of Manyeleti

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(02-05-2023, 01:09 PM)veritas Wrote: There are a few things I'

I read the Timbavati Forum from page one. After Sizanani's death, the 2018 thread fails to find the process of how the descendants of thandaimpi, who remain in the Pride of Mbiri and Nharu, survive and later split into TUMBELA.

First of all, Sizanani died in late 2017, not 2018. His brother Scorro was still dominant over the 2 prides until mid 2018´

Quote:So I read the Tumbella forum from page one to the end. I know that only Skorro Jr. survived, Limper and Scar died, and they controlled Ottawa.(It's a little difficult at the moment, but...)

So I also read all the otawa forums and couldn't find them because I was curious about how they grew up and formed a coalition after 2018.

Basically, the current dominant males of Mbiri pride are the Tintswalo males. They are sons of the Thanda Impis and brothers to Tumbelas. At the beginning, Nharu pride had 6 sons, Mbiris had 3. Then, a Nharu male left his natal pride and joined Mbiris. So by the time Thada Impis lost the territory, there were 5 young males in Nharu pride, and 4 in Mbiri pride.

The Nharu males would go on to become the Tumbelas. 4 out of 5 died, leaving Skorro Jr. The last man standing. The Mbiri males would become the Tintswalo males. 1 of them dissapeared in 2021, leaving 3 remaining.

Quote:Both Nharu and Mbiri have descendants of thandaimpi and wonder how Rambile separated! 
I've seen the thread that he's lost.

Lambile is not seperated. He is still part of the coalition. He is just a bit skinny compared to his brothers. Ncile is the one that is sometimes seperated, mainly due to his injuries from a snare incident in 2022.

Quote:What I'm curious about is the process of how the two prides survived and grew after the death of sizanani and the disappearance of thandaimpis skorro.

Nharu pride is thriving well thanks to the Red Road male. Theres 6 adult lionesses and many sub adults and cubs.
Mbiri pride is also doing ok, but not as good as Nharus, partially due to the many pride takeovers and in-breeding. (Tintswalos are mating with their sisters)

Quote:I know there is a debate but I think the current Redroad male is the son of Thandaimpi.

However, I have read various forums, but I don't know how Redroad is dominating alone.

Red Road male was fathered by the 7 old Avoca/Giraffe males. He is dominating alone since there is no large coalition close to him. His neighbors are all lone males apart from Tintswalos.

Quote:I don't understand that redroad may have a fight with the current 3 tintswalo males who may be their cousins or brothers (so sad.

As I said, RRM actually has no connections with Thands Impis. Also, he has had a fight with 2/3 Tintswalos in 2021, he survived with injuries. There has been no fight since.

Which page of the forum can I go to to to find out their historical chronology of the past?

Quote:Looking at the Ottawa forum, Skorro Jr. seems to be in a very difficult state at the moment, is it far from redroad?

Skorro Jr. is very far from Red Road. Skorro Jr. is in western Sabi Sands. Red Road is in southern Manyeleti. This distance betweennthe 2 areas is about 20km.

Quote:I want to know if these two poor males can't make friends quickly or rather join forces to form an alliance.

There is no way that Red Road can potentially form a coalition with another male. He is a well-established dominant male and wont tolerate any other males.

Skorro Jr., however, is now a nomad and can possibly form a coalition with other nomadic lions close to him, such as the Nkuhuma young male.

Quote:Can't lions recognize their family members and members by their hormones or scents?

In lion society, family doesnt matter much. This means that even if 2 different coalitions are brothers, they wont tolerate each other if they were dominant males.

Quote:Can't Skorro or redroad be united with tintswalo? As long as they dominate with pride, do lions define each other as eternal enemies?

No. Skorro is too far and Red Road will not united with any other male because he is already territorial.

Quote:For example, avoca/giraff or mapogos...

The young Giraffe males and the old Avocas joined together when they were nomads. The Mapogos were 5 at the start. They became 6 after Makhulu left his natal pride and joined the other 5 males' pride. The way Makhulu left his pride and joined the rest of the Mapogos is similar to how the Nharu male left his pride and joined the Mbiri pride.

Quote:size=medium]Is there a zero chance of becoming a territorial union when necessary?  The more I know about lions, the more difficult and complicated it is. [/size]

Dominant males can form coalitions with other males, but only when they are alone and old. Red Road is still in his prime, so he wont do that. Maybe when he reaches 10+ years old, he might unite with another male. But right now, its not possible that he unites with another male. Reply