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ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - A - THE TIGER (Panthera tigris)

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( This post was last modified: 06-11-2019, 09:28 AM by Greatearth )

Shadow I forgot to answer about dhole and lion fanboy comment. But I became very lazy to answering any comments/messages.

However, about your question on tiger conservation. Of course it matters.
I am strongly against with 2 tiger subspecies. minnesota zoo sent hybrid tiger to the Seoul zoo during the Seoul Olympic 1988 and lied that those were pure Siberian tigers. Look all of those hybrid "American tiger" or any tigers outside of zoo in the world. How can you be sure tiger conservation will manage properly if it is the 2 subspecies? It's not just tiger, it's including every animals. I spoke with one elephant zookeeper. What she told me was that they are breeding Sri Lankan elephants and Thai elephants together in her zoo because there is no difference between those two elephants. I hope she is wrong about managing elephants in her zoo. However, should we trust single species believer?
I am not sure of lion becaue I don't care about lions. As far as I know, cat specialist group is accepting 2 lion subspecies as well. I hear all of story from single species biologists are saying like "It won't make sense why not to release African lion into the Gir since they are not huge genetic difference between the African and Asiatic lions."  However, I hear all of genetic bottleneck problems in lion population in the Ngorongoro crater since the last decade. So all of ignorant biologists/conservationists working on lions who brought up the single species idea... why aren't they release lions in the Samburu, Serengeti, and Masai Mara to Ngorongoro first before they are even worry about ones living in India?

No one can release different tiger subspecies into my country since I am going to hunt down that tiger by myself after they release it. As proud national animal of my country, the only pure Siberian tigers can live in my country. Pure Siberian tigers in North Korea, if they are still alive in wild. Then I would never allow them to mix with different tiger subspecies from the southern Asia.

I hear recent genetic analysis proved that tiger subspecies is actually 9 or 8 like last year. I am not sure who is the truth. We will never know the truth. I personally don't really care if it tiger is  2 or 9 subspecies. 100 years ago, Bengal tigers in western Myanmar/India/Bangladesh was genetically closer to Indochinese tigers lived in eastern Myanmar and near Indochinese countries if they are comparing to Bengal tigers in western/southern India such as Ranthambore, Sariska, Bandipur, and Kabin. However, it is impossible to say that Malayan tigers living in jungle of Malayan peninsula are very closely related to Bengal tigers living in snowy Himalaya in Bhutan/India/Nepal before passing Indochinese tigers in Indochina. So my suggestion is that tiger only should be reintroduce or mix by geologically closer areas. That's why I view tiger subspecies as original 9. After knowing and working in conservation and zoo,  those law would never follow if it is single species. Single species believers just mix and release tigers in different areas without thinking properly.
Animals evolved unique morphology/adaptation/gene to survive in specific places they are living in. That's why so many speciation as a result of geographic isolation in reptiles, amphibians, fishes, insects, and smaller mammals. Tigers are different since they are large mammals, but human should not act as creditor. Humans want to ruin this natural order? I guess crazy things will happen in future one day.


A fact about IUCN...  I can't trust any of all of IUCN cat specalist people running by west sometimes. Why aren't they worry about their country animals in Europe/North America first instead of obsessing Asian tigers or any animals living in Asia/Africa. After I worked in conservation. I don't believe conservation at all.
All of nature/wildlife in europe/north america.. There are already completely destroyed. There are many problems in other continent. However, internet/media are always attacking Asia and people in Asia for every problems. They are not informing human population growth and not even really helping poor locals struggling to survive. All they do is just blaming people in Asia and Africa for every problems (steve winter and national geographic are examples that i don't trust anything comes from them). I am not even sure if they know what is serious reason of poaching and other poaching animals like pet trading and bushmeat trade. I guess this is due to idiotic journalists who are writing news are problems. However, I still view negative about conservation.
From what I hear is that Cambodia and Laos once hold the second highest tiger populations along with Nepal until the 1980s. I am not sure if those countries really had the highest Indochinese tiger population since Thailand and Myanmar seemed to be the highest. However, those countries were gift with nature. Indochinese leopards were once wide spread entire Indochina until the 2000s. Israel once hold the highest Arabian leopard population in the Levant until the 1980s. Now, all of those animals are almost gone. And primitive vietnameses are still going other South EAst Asia to poach tigers. My Bangladesh friend told me that his country had so many animals between 1991-1996 when he was teen years. Now, they are almost gone just like tigers in Asia. The Sumatran rhino was much better situation than the Javan rhino 20 years ago. Now, they are about to fall in the black hole due to primitive han chinese/vietnamese and deforestation/poaching problems. My ranger friend in Sumatra, he believes that the Sumatran tigers won't survive in future despite ngos in west are whining crazy about it. They aren't informing true problem like human population, neither solving poverty in Indonesia. Even in India, tigers will only survive in national parks/reserves. All of African megafuana like rhino, elephant, buffalo, giraffe, and other animals once lived throughout sub saharan Africa. They are almost gone compared to 1980s. Next 20 years will be completely different world again. I highly doubt tigers or any other animals will survive. Even Dr. Linda Kerley agreed with me when I spoke to her. My friends in India, even they agree with it. People mindset has to change in Asia first, but it won't happen for a long time since many Asian countries were poor (and still in many Asian countries) until the 1980s. Most of parent generations. So I guess people born before 1978, or before millennial generation in 1982-1996. I will say that 90% of these generation don't really like animals since they grew up in poor life. Sad reality of the Asia continent to save our beloved tiger and other magnificent animals in Asia.

There are problems like resource, trash, global warming, trashes in ocean, depleting animals in ocean just like bushmeat. Conservation is not doing their job properly to save animals. All they do is slowing extinction rate of animals or blaming people for every problems. Animals won't survive in future unless the world banning the religions, and strict the birth control (that's the one thing I like about the Chinese government). I am very dubious about the future.
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RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - A - THE TIGER (Panthera tigris) - Greatearth - 06-11-2019, 04:49 AM
Demythologizing T16 - tigerluver - 04-12-2020, 11:44 AM
Tiger Data Bank - Apollo - 07-28-2014, 09:54 PM
RE: Tiger Data Bank - Apollo - 07-28-2014, 10:02 PM
RE: Tiger Data Bank - Apollo - 07-29-2014, 12:56 AM
RE: Tiger Data Bank - peter - 07-29-2014, 07:05 AM
Tiger recycling bin - Roflcopters - 09-04-2014, 01:36 AM
RE: Tiger recycling bin - Pckts - 09-04-2014, 02:22 AM
RE: Tiger recycling bin - Roflcopters - 09-05-2014, 01:01 AM
RE: Tiger Data Bank - Apollo - 11-15-2014, 10:07 PM
RE: Tiger Data Bank - Apollo - 11-15-2014, 10:57 PM
RE: Tiger Data Bank - Apollo - 11-15-2014, 11:33 PM
RE: Tiger Data Bank - Apollo - 02-19-2015, 11:25 PM
RE: Tiger Data Bank - GuateGojira - 02-23-2015, 11:36 AM
Status of tigers in India - Shardul - 12-20-2015, 03:23 PM
RE: Tiger Directory - Diamir2 - 10-03-2016, 04:27 AM
RE: Tiger Directory - peter - 10-03-2016, 06:22 AM
Genetics of all tiger subspecies - parvez - 07-15-2017, 01:08 PM
RE: Tiger Predation - peter - 11-11-2017, 08:08 AM
RE: Man-eaters - Wolverine - 12-03-2017, 11:30 AM
RE: Man-eaters - peter - 12-04-2017, 09:44 AM
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RE: Size comparisons - peter - 07-16-2019, 05:28 AM
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RE: Amur Tigers - peter - 05-22-2021, 08:09 AM
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RE: Amur Tigers - tigerluver - 04-06-2022, 01:08 AM
RE: Amur Tigers - tigerluver - 04-06-2022, 09:08 AM
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