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ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - A - THE TIGER (Panthera tigris)

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(01-06-2019, 11:02 AM)Wolverine Wrote:
(01-06-2019, 10:40 AM)Greatearth Wrote:
(01-06-2019, 10:19 AM)Wolverine Wrote: I remember that as a child red in Red book of Soviet Union (from 1980's or 1970's) that even in pre-industrial age, before human colonization of RFE Amur tiger's population was assessed at around 700-900, there were never more than 700-900 wild tigers in what is today Russian Ussuriland. Amur tigers have never been numerous. 

That's way we have to understand that there is only one true Kingdom of Tiger in this planet and this is INDIA. Tropical ecosystems are much more fertile than northern ecosystems, density of tropical tigers is 15-20 larger than dencity of Siberian tigers. In one small Kaziranga NP on territory of 430 sq.km. live 90 tigers while in gigantic Bikin NP with territory of 11 600 sq. km.  live only 40-50 tigers. 
Every square feet of Indian jungle is teeming with life, every square feet of Indian jungle is a diamond! @Rishi

Really? So Siberian tigers were always small numbers in Russia? 700-900 seems to be too small. Wouldn't be just in Ussuriland? How about other states in Russia? Moreover, places like Manchuria? I think Manchuria was once hold the highest populations of the Siberian tigers. Plus, many people also hunts their food like deer a lot in 20th century. Korea had a high density of tigers compared to its size. 

I was always wondered that why tiger population was high in India even though they were exceptionally hunted just like in other Asia. It maybe different reasons. I don't know places like other South East Asia (India is also much larger than other SE Asia country). As for biodiversity, Indochina has much higher biodiversity than India. About population of large mammals seem to be different. However, I am curious why prey density in South East Asia is smaller than India.

China once had the Siberian tiger, Caspian tiger, South China tiger, Indochinese tiger, and Bengal tiger. China was also experienced different ecosystems throughout the times due to human impacts throughout each dynasties.
I am not sure how many tigers were in mainland China 100~150 years ago. I believe that Kingdom of Tiger was for both China and India, I would put more hand on China though. Difference is that chinese lost that title by themselves.

These numbers (700-900) are only for Outer (Russian) Mandzuria and do not include numbers in Inner (Chinese) Mandzuria which is twice the size of the Russian part. Soviet scientists didn't care about China of cource when they did their assesments.

Why the density of tigers is higher in India than in South East Asia if they both are tropical ecosystems? Good question. Its the same question as why the human population in India is so gigantic and much much  larger than population of South East Asia? A land which can feed much more people can also feed much more tigers. They both have high tempeartures and high humidity ideal for lush vegetation. The answer is: SOIL. The alluvial soils of India and China are the most fertile soils in the planet. In India you have ideal combination: high temperatures + humidity + fertile soils + enough grass between trees for feeding of high number of herbivores. So you have astronomical dencity of tigers and other big predators.

India has a high biodiversity. However, biodiversity of India is lower than biodiversity of each countries in South East Asia if it is considering as the same size.

I don't know how/why soil has to do with population growth. India has so many people that are not receiving proper education. No education means people are generally having more kids just like people in Africa, Central America, and South America. China has larger population than India even though it is not tropical ecosystems. I think it is combination of multiple reasons. Hindu religion probably helped many animals to saved unlike many South East Asia and China. Tropical rainforest of South East Asia was also could be reason while India has many different types of ecosystem like forest, rainforest, grassland, etc. Poaching problems are also worse in South East Asia. Sadly, all problems like snare are killing tremendous large mammals in Indochina Sad
One of the great biologist/conservationist, Dr. Kamler working to save Indochinese leopard, told me that 95% of wildlife is almost disappeared in Indochina. It's all due to poverty, influence on primitive chinese culture, and low education. I don't know what NGO in the world are trying to save the wildlife in Asia sometimes instead of whining in media and internet. India is a little better since government is trying to save their wildlife even though they also have many corruption.
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RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - A - THE TIGER (Panthera tigris) - Greatearth - 01-18-2019, 09:16 AM
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RE: Tiger recycling bin - Roflcopters - 09-05-2014, 01:01 AM
RE: Tiger Data Bank - Apollo - 11-15-2014, 10:07 PM
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RE: Tiger Data Bank - GuateGojira - 02-23-2015, 11:36 AM
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RE: Tiger Directory - Diamir2 - 10-03-2016, 04:27 AM
RE: Tiger Directory - peter - 10-03-2016, 06:22 AM
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RE: Tiger Predation - peter - 11-11-2017, 08:08 AM
RE: Man-eaters - Wolverine - 12-03-2017, 11:30 AM
RE: Man-eaters - peter - 12-04-2017, 09:44 AM
RE: Tigers of Central India - Wolverine - 04-13-2018, 01:17 AM
RE: Tigers of Central India - qstxyz - 04-13-2018, 08:34 PM
RE: Size comparisons - peter - 07-16-2019, 05:28 AM
RE: Amur Tigers - peter - 05-20-2021, 07:13 AM
RE: Amur Tigers - Nyers - 05-21-2021, 08:02 PM
RE: Amur Tigers - peter - 05-22-2021, 08:09 AM
RE: Amur Tigers - GuateGojira - 04-06-2022, 12:59 AM
RE: Amur Tigers - tigerluver - 04-06-2022, 01:08 AM
RE: Amur Tigers - tigerluver - 04-06-2022, 09:08 AM
RE: Amur Tigers - tigerluver - 04-06-2022, 11:30 PM
RE: Amur Tigers - peter - 04-08-2022, 07:27 AM



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