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ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - A - THE TIGER (Panthera tigris)

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(07-21-2018, 05:26 PM)Shir Babr Wrote:
(07-20-2018, 08:25 PM)Genghis Wrote: Juvenile Amur tiger destroys and tears apart a huge, full-grown Russian boar, twice its own size:


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Young, adolescent tiger crushes a large male Russian boar in a fight:
http://amuroopt.ru/tigryi-na-amurskoy-ze...d-spustya/

Another young, small 3 year old Amur tiger that destroyed and tore apart a very large Russian boar, twice its size, and even heavily damages the huge boars skull bone!


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I already posted this on the 'Tiger predation' thread, but thought it would be good on this thread also...

Remains of a huge male Russian boar, with large tusks, that was killed and devoured by a young male tiger named 'Uporny':


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https://www.dvnovosti.ru/khab/2015/10/22/41252/

Go to 29:45 in this documentary, and you'll see a tiger chasing a massive, mature male tusker boar, and the boar is running for its life:





Go to 23:43 in this documentary. Its said that the Amur tigress named 'Katya' easily takes down and kills 500lb wild boar, twice her own weight:





Even young, juvenile tigers and tigresses hunt and kill giant male Russian boars, that are twice their size, with no problems!

"Destroy", "crush"... Somebody has been reading too many lame youtube animal fight video titles, lol.
The first two claims... isn't it funny how both resemble, specially in the "snout cut with a razor" and "scratched skulls" parts? Is almost like both were talking about the same anecdote...
If you read serious zoological literature -or watch videos of actual natural predation- you'll find that predators don't fight bigger, dangerous animals "to the death" just to mutilate them and walk out triumphantly leaving the prize behind. Nature doesn't work that way, specially not animals that need to avoid injuries to keep procuring themselves food. I haven't watched a single video of a feline jumping on the back of another animal to club it in the head with its "mace-like" paws. If you have, please share.
You keep using those superlatives, "massive", "huge".  The photo of the jawbone has no measures and nothing to compare it with.
The 29:45 scene of the documentary Tigers of the snow was filmed from a helicopter and never are the tiger and the boar in the same shot so, how can you claim the boar is "massive"?
As for the claim in the second documentary, the keyword is "it's said". You shouldn't take on face value everything you hear. Hell, sometimes you can't even take "reputable" sources seriously :





Check 1:28. That's Luke Hunter, CEO of Panthera, in an award-winning multimedia coverage, explaining the cheetah's skull adaptations and differences compared with a leopard, USING A SNOW LEOPARD SKULL... Is preposterous.

That last sentence you wrote, "Even young, juvenile tigers and tigresses hunt and kill giant male Russian boars, that are twice their size, with no problems!", is utterly ridiculous unless you're talking about handicapped, sick, old or injured individuals.

Firstly, the description of the fights clearly shows that the tiger 'destroyed' and badly mutilated the boars. The fights were witnessed by naturalists, and the account of the young, adolescent tiger that 'crushed' a large male boar in a fight, was also documented by the biologists that were studying those tigers in the wild. And they also used the word 'CRUSH' so i'm just repeating what the biologist said, so whats wrong with that?...

Also, in the 'Tigers of the snow' documentary I posted, you can clearly see that the wild boar is massive in size. Why? Look at the huge girth and physique of the boar. The boar was very heavily built, and if you look closely, you can see it has LARGE tusks. And most importantly, the boar wasn't with a herd, but solitary, and the only wild boars that are solitary are only the huge, mature male boars which usually live alone. For example:

"Leopards did not kill wild pig, and dhole rarely killed it, but tigers readily killed large adult boars, which live alone" 
http://www.ecology.info/tiger-leopard.htm

See, it says that 'large' adult boars live alone. Now, you can even ask Peter, if these boars are large mature male boars, and see what he tells you.

And clearly, your probably not aware of even half the accounts I know about tigers fighting other animals in the wild. Its a fact that tigers will fight any creature, no matter how large or powerful, to establish their dominance in their domain. Even Peter has acknowledged that tigers will even attack, fight and kill brown bears solely on principle, not even a predation. There's other reasons to why a tiger would fight a large wild boar like that. Maybe, the huge solitary boar was in the tigers territory, or maybe the tiger attempted a predation, failed the ambush and had to end up fighting the boar to kill it. We have examples exactly like this of tigers killing large adult brown bears, where they killed the bear after a prolonged fight. So your clearly wrong, go do your homework, before you accuse me of anything.

In the second documentary I posted, again it clearly states that the tigress 'Katya' EASILY takes down 500lb wild boar, almost twice her own weight. Now, why is that so hard to believe? Since we have many confirmed reports of young, juvenile and adolescent tigers taking down and killing large male Russian boars. So yes, that statement is most definately true using logic and common sense.

And the skull I posted of the Russian boar that was killed by a young male tiger, clearly belonged to a large male boar. Why? Because in the actual report, it states that the boar was a 'large male boar' killed by the tiger, and it had huge tusks, which again, belong to huge mature male boars!
https://www.dvnovosti.ru/khab/2015/10/22/41252/

And when I said juvenile tigers and tigresses hunt and kill huge male boars 'with no problems' ...I didn't mean they can takedown large boars in a matter of seconds, what I meant was that they can tackle and kill huge wild boars, without getting injured in the process themselves. Thats what I meant by no problems.

Now, lets show you more proof then...

Here's a tigress that kills a very large mature male Indian boar, in a frontal attack: (Look how stocky and powerfully built the boar is)





Here's a fight between an Amur tigress and a large male tusker boar. Now, notice how the boar viciously charges the tigress to gore her, and watch how easily and swiftly the tigress evades the boars charges with supreme agility. Then at the 1:30 mark, the tigress secures a deadly-grip on the huge boars head, which the boar couldn't shake off, and then was most likely destined to be the tigress's dinner:





Here's a 16 month old tigress cub, that attacks and kills a large full-grown male boar: Note: the tiger cub lost the element of surprise, which then turned out to be a frontal attack!






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Thats a 16 month old tigress cub, so that tells you ALOT. So please, don't ever accuse me of being a guy who reads too many "lame youtube animal-fight video titles", because you know nothing about me, period.

Its a well known fact that tigers of all ages, regularly hunt and kill large male Russian and Indian boars, and usually have no problems taking them down. Like it or not, thats your problem.
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RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - A - THE TIGER (Panthera tigris) - Genghis - 07-21-2018, 07:31 PM
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