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ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - A - THE TIGER (Panthera tigris)

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( This post was last modified: 03-01-2017, 01:26 PM by peter )

(02-26-2017, 06:14 PM)phatio Wrote:
(02-25-2017, 02:17 PM)peter Wrote: Returning to the article. The one who posted it has to find the complete article. We would also like to know the name of the newspaper. And the date of publication. Things like that. This will allow me to go to a museum over here and find it.   
 
Thank you for the translation @peter. never seen that male javan tiger shot by Mr. Ledeboer before. for your information Glenmore is located in Banyuwangi, the most eastern part of Java island. Meru Betiri National Park is also located in this small city.
after doing a quick research i found the picture coming from a facebook community called Banjoewangi Tempoe Doloe (old time Banyuwangi) and according to them, the article is from an old Dutch newspaper 'de Indische Courant' Februari 16 1940. maybe you can find the original archive there in your country? 

and here is  Mr. Ledeboer with another tiger (i think it's a female javan tiger). 

*This image is copyright of its original author

maybe anyone could do the estimation of her measurement?

Thanks a lot for the info, Phatio. The newspaper you mentioned rings a bell. I also remember a magazin for hunters called 'The Indische Jager'. I will try to find both.

The tigress seems to be adult and wasn't a small animal. There are two ways to get to an estimate. One is using the man at the far right (because I can see most of his legs) and two is using the skull of the tigress (more difficult).

a - The man at the far right might have been 15 units tall when standing. With her head in a normal position, the tigress is at least 22 units. If the man at the far right was 165 cm. (165:15=11), the tigress was 22x11=242 cm. If he was 160 cm. (160:15=10,666), the tigress was 234,66 cm. (22x10,666=234,666). If he was 155 cm. (155:15=10,333), the tigress would have measured 227,33 cm. (22x10,333=227,33). Using this method, the result is 227-242 cm. in a straight line. 

The outcome depends on the length of the man. Indonesian men over 50 years of age averaged about 158 cm. in 1997. My guess is the average in 1940 could have been about 155 cm. This means that the lower limit mentioned could be more probable, but you never know.   

b - If we use the skull of the tigress, the outcome depends on the length of the skull. Assuming the skull, like the tigress, was just over average in length, it might have measured not 278 mm. in greatest total length, but 285-290 mm. 

As for head length. In an adult captive male Amur tiger from the Prague Zoo, the skull was just over 370 mm. in greatest total length. The head length was 450 mm. The difference between greatest skull length and head length, therefore, was about 80 mm. Skulls of male Amur tigers are about 20% longer than skulls of females. In Java tigers, the difference is less pronounced (about 15%). Using this information, the head length of the tigress might have ranged between 335-345 mm. Assuming the head was 3-3,5 units and the total length was 22 units, the result is 210-253 cm. in total length in a straight line. As she seemed to be a little over average in most respects, I'd say the result of this method roughly compares to the result of the first method (227-242 cm.). 

If she would have been measured 'over curves' (most tigers in Indonesia were measured in this way), we have to add about 3 inches (7,62 cm.), maybe a tad more. This means she would have taped 234-251 cm. roughly.

c - For now, I'd say the tigress was 227-242 cm. (about 7.5-7.11) in total length in a straight line or 234-251 cm. 'over curves' (about 7.8-8.3). This estimate is based on the assumed length of the man at the far right in the photograph apparently taken in 1940. As we have no option but to use the average length of Indonesian men in 1940 (most probably less than in 1997, when men of 50 years and over averaged 158 cm.), the lower limit mentioned (227 cm. in total length in a straight line) seems more probable.

Based on other photographs of Javan tigers, I think she could have been a bit longer (230-236 cm.). This opinion is also based on photographs of two young adult tigresses shot and measured by Locke in Trengganu (Malaysia).

In weight, she could have ranged between 80-90 kg. (177-199 pounds).
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