Animal trainers

[paul cooper]

(01-28-2016, 11:26 PM)Polar Wrote: Again, I don't trust any of these animal trainers, no matter what animal they support. Most are quite contradicting in their views. Beatty favored the lion in public, but privately, he had several of his lions killed by tigers. Louis Roth stated that he never had a tiger lose to a lion, but lo and behold, one of the heavy-side lions killed a big tiger in a fight to the death. I think they base their opinions off the animals in what they see instead of the wild. True, some of them might get some of their animals straight from the wild, but whose not to say that some of those trainers immediately got killed or mistreated the animal according to the animal's way of life. In my opinion, the animal trainers' observations come from their resulting actions on the animals and the animals' respective responses to the trainers' actions. For instance, Beatty is well known to have let multiple lions out at once to attack a sick, small, or already injured tiger. This resulted in him calling lions "socially sophisticated" and well-versed into supporting each other, when in fact, tigers in the wild have been known to do the same to prey items. The observations of animal trainers and those of wildlife enthusiasts are very different, you know.

I totally agree bro. I think a trainers credibility as a whole should be pretty fragile, if you see he is kinda contradicting himself and being a bit bias and all, he should be taken a bit lightly on his opinions. And bro bear and pckts also made some great points on trainers. You should never lose focus on the basic facts on the animals. In the trainer worle there is no right or wrong when it comes to out spoken opinions, i heard trainers say the complete opposite of what other trainers say, both fairly experienced i guess. Maybe some of them can just be making assumptions, idk. Its pretty subjective.

What i also thought, ill just keep it as a personal opinion for now, is that european trainers seem less bias than american, or at least some of the american trainers that lion fans shove down your throat. I have seen many american trainers who are very professional (outside of training the animals and entertaining i am talking about). At least thats the impression @peter  shows on the trainers he interviewed, but they seem more down to earth and realistic than the american ones.

I mean, i havent seen a european trainer insult the tiger and say any sick lion can kill any tiger that has ever lived.

And i think we can all agree on this.. something is up with beatty no doubt. I read his books and peter is right, its not just remarks when he talks lion vs tiger but all throughout his book, and its weird because he makes generalizations then later in his book he makes observations that are opposite of the generalizations. Like he literally lies and is delusional or something, some weird stuff. Also.. his comment on lioness and tigress and being a mother is a bit too far no doubt. I see tigresses squashing her own cubs all the time, since they dont watch when they stretch out for their cubs, becauss they are "nervous", right peter? Reply