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(02-16-2020, 08:45 PM)Shadow Wrote: In some way this thread is already unnecessary or obsolete.
This case made it already a long time ago clear, that it happens sometimes.
We have also that lioness, who killed alone a cape buffalo bull from Londolozi. And some other cases. So it´s about it, that how often and how difficult/easy it is. Have some lions learned how to do it better than others. For sure that is part of it, some really have learned better.
And when talking about easy... well, here it can be said, that practically 1 hyena takes down cape buffalo bull with minimal effort. It´s brutal, but it makes big cats to look like amateurs. No wonder that lions often sit if surrounded by hyena clan.
Anyway at this point it´s not about it, that if, but how often, how easy/difficult and which lions maybe are better with buffalos than others.
The 22 hr ordeal had multiple Lions
"[color=rgba(17, 17, 17, 0.6)]Published on Dec 19, 2007[/color]
[color=rgba(17, 17, 17, 0.6)]It was now 22 hours later and the buffalo bull the lions attacked yesterday was still alive. With the bull downed a lion feeds at its rump but when the pain becomes too much the buffalo rallies and gets to his feet but only barely. The lion hangs on and realising he isn't getting anywhere goes for the buffalo's achilles tendon downing the bull again. Will he survive another 22 hours?"[/color]
And no way can a lone lioness prey on a big alpha bull, again there are major differences between a bull and a big healthy alpha.
Hyena could probably have a better chance since their bites do more damage and they target genitals which can put the bull in shock, also being smaller makes them a harder target.
But again, that is multiple attackers extending a fight over a period of time.
That seems to be a typo, that "lions", I mean this video was about that same case and no other lions anywhere.
Description: "This battle of the beasts has lasted over 20minutes and this is the last few. The bull is down but not out, but has he got enough to free himself? Finally the lion goes in for the kill but he under-estimates the bulls will to survive as the bull tosses him away. The lion leaves but later in the night they finished off the deed."
Or do you have more information about this case? I see only one lion and descriptions don´t give any hint about other lions.
Anyway there are more than one case so in that way this thread looks like to be old news.
The bull had been attacked by lions prior to the video beginning.
It had been battling for some time, which is obvious with it being a 22hr battle yet only 2 minutes of footage.
So where is told, that attacked by lions before this? Have you seen often, that only one lion is there killing a buffalo if there is whole pride or coalition nearby and buffalo is down? I don´t buy that explanation unless you have some source to confirm it. That guy on the video mention nothing about other lions.
Sure, lions abandon kills or leave it to males to finish or they're still there and help out later as its stated the bull still fights on.
The flip side is, have you ever seen a healthy bull like that be subdued by a lone lion, especially not even have the strength to stand?
You have to know that this fight has been going on for some time and that buffalo has been exhausted and injured.
If 3 large males can't overpower a healthy bull, what chance would a single lion have unless there are extenuating circumstances.
On top of all of that, it's already stated that "lions" had been attacking this bull for 22hrs.
I agree he said "the lions attacked".
When it comes to the video of the three males: you can’t take one instance and say that’s how it is, as I have seen 3+ lionesses fail a buffalo cow, but also single lionesses succeed at bringing down big and healthy looking cows. It can come down to experience as the three males in the video are young. The weather, underestimating a healthy prime bull etc. A more skilled lion could probably have done much better. I don’t think thats the case in the Wildcast video, but the lions in the other video did seem quite clumsy and one even got caught. That seemed to scare and put the other lions off. Three adult males would have finished the job imo.
If 3 large male lions cant overpower a healthy bull, especially with one holding onto its throat and another trying to pull down its hindquarters while the bull is still able to gore the 3rd and lift it off the ground while a male lion hangs onto its throat, what chance could any lone male lion really have?
I know exceptional lions or cases could exist but there is nothing I've seen that would back that claim.
A large bull is extreamly strong yes and in most cases a lion can’t do it, but same as the lionesses, hunts are different and a skilled male lion could do better not in terms of overpowering the bull, but rather ruin his legs and groin and take his time, going for the throat on a standing buffalo (at least in my observation) seems almost pointless as they are to thick and the lions seems unable to get a good grip. Usually a lion would fail I agree, but I don’t see it as impossible at all that some big male lions used to hunting buffalos could kill a healthy bull, but from his experience would most likely never do it as he knows the risk and the big likelyhood of failure with only a ton of energi wasted.
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Can a Lone Male Lion have a successful predation on a Adult Bull Buffalo?
