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Intraspecific Conflicts - Leopard [Wild]

India sanjay Offline
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( This post was last modified: 07-15-2020, 08:23 PM by sanjay )

This thread is here so that we can study the behavior of Wild Leopards conflicts. It is recommended to post images, videos and information when two or more wild leopards in confrontation/fighting.
It is also request that write a conclusion note about the final outcome. You can describe their technique, agility, experience, size and many other factor which decide such outcomes.

This is not VS debate, rather we love to have a sensible study based on real facts.
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( This post was last modified: 07-15-2020, 02:05 PM by Luipaard )

The Rumble in the Jungle (Tyson/Marthly male vs Mafufanyane)





"For three days the younger male leopard (Tyson, also known as the Marthly male) had been following the older Mafufanyane, watching his every move, testing his patience, and waiting for a sign of weakness, a moment to throw down the gauntlet. Experienced leopards try to avoid fighting at all costs:instead they scent mark and roar to keep their enemies at bay. Fighting is taxing on their bodies and they need to stay in the best possible condition not only to defend their territories but to be able to hunt effectively and protect themselves. But it was clear that Tyson had his sights set on the older male's territory, which means his land, his shelter, his females and his food. On the third day Tyson made his move and what ensued was one of the most dramatic leopard fights ever witnessed by man. It soon became apparent that Tyson had underestimated his opponent, and his energy and speed were no match for Mafufanyane's wile, strength and cunning. Tyson rolled onto his back, having to defend himself for all his life was worth. The noise of the tearing flesh and sinew was heart-stopping. Both leopards were badly injured, but eventually he left the younger male to nurse his wounds. Mafufanyane would remain lord of this part of the forest for now."
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Richard De Gouveia: " TURN UP THE SOUND! An incredible sighting of leopards fighting at @sabisabireserve yesterday evening. Totally crazy!!! "


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(11-30-2022, 03:59 AM)Styx38 Wrote:
(11-22-2022, 09:12 PM)Luipaard Wrote:
(11-21-2022, 04:24 AM)Styx38 Wrote: @AndresVida

@Luipaard

Hey guys how big do you think is this Gabon male?

Is he over 70kg?

The Leopard could possibly be 75+ kg. I would not be surprised that the Leopard is 80+ kg.

The Congo Leopard looks comparable to Okonjima Leopards.


Gabon male


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Okonjima Male


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They both look comparable to Mawenzi, an 82 kg Namibian male.






While it's hard to judge because there's nothing to scale to, one cannot ignore his bulkiness. He does look at least equal to Madiba at first sight (the first Okonjima male you posted, who weighed 76kg).

Leopards from the equatorial forests of Central Africa are underrated. Some focus on the few weights there is available (snared individuals) while ignoring their maximum-sized skulls who are lioness-sized. There's also the footage which almost constantly demonstrates robust males. The following male from Gabon is the first male leopard ever caught on a camera trap in Gabon and to this day he remains one of the most robust individuals I've ever seen:


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Again it's hard to judge his size (i.e. frame) due to nothing to scale him with. But humans and these leopards have been caught on the same camera trap in the past. Courtesy of Chui:


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According to Chui, the man is 170cm tall and weighs 88kg. Here we can see they can possess a large frame alongside their robusteness. Also look at the man's hand and compare it to the wide skull and massive muzzle in the first photo.


I see.

Now, this may sound dumb but which of the Leopards would most likely win in a fight at parity?

1. African Forest Leopard vs. African Savannah Leopard

2. Persian Leopard vs. African Savannah Leopard

3. Persian Leopard vs. African Forest Leopard

Now I think this could go either way if these specimens are the same size, but I want to hear your thoughts on these hypothetical fights.

I moved this topic to a more appropriate thread.

Quote:Now, this may sound dumb but which of the Leopards would most likely win in a fight at parity?

Usually the one with a weight advantage wins. So even a savannah leopard can win from a leopard population that's usually or overall larger. But since it's at parity in these cases:

Quote:1. African Forest Leopard vs. African Savannah Leopard

The African forest leopard; it's usually the more robust leopard and therefore more powerful. It's also built differently due to being forest-dwelling animal whereas overall the savannah leopard lives a more arboreal life. In other words, the savannah leopard must retain a lightweight build (to a certain degree for some males) so they can escape other predators via short burst of speed and climbing the nearest tree. The forest leopard simply lives a different life, be it one from the East African highlands, Central Africa, or West Africa.

Quote:2. Persian Leopard vs. African Savannah Leopard

The Persian leopard; it usually has thicker bones and accumulated fat due to the environment, especially in colder area's. Their thicker fur might also help against the claws of the other grappling leopard.

Quote:3. Persian Leopard vs. African Forest Leopard

The African forest leopard; it's usually more robust. Muscles weigh more than fat so once again the forest leopard will be more powerful at parity. Both have the largest leopard skulls, although they best each other in a department; the forest leopards have a proportionally longer skull whereas the Persian leopards have a proportionally wider skull. One might say the Persian therefore has a more powerful bite, but it being wider (not by a great margin) is due to colder environments. African rainforest leopards are known to kill armoured prey which requires a powerful biteforce.

Here's a rainforest male leopard from Lopé National Park in Gabon, a powerful specimen with a robust neck and head:


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Quote:The origin, morphotype or subspecies of a leopard does not influence the result of a fight. As long as the size difference is not excessive, the determining factor is the aggressive nature of the individual.


@JUJOMORE I would not disagree with you, but Luipaard made a good post here.
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(12-07-2022, 02:45 AM)Styx38 Wrote:
Quote:The origin, morphotype or subspecies of a leopard does not influence the result of a fight. As long as the size difference is not excessive, the determining factor is the aggressive nature of the individual.


@JUJOMORE I would not disagree with you, but Luipaard made a good post here.

It is true, it is a good post, he gives his opinion and argues it, but in the end what he comes to say is that the animal with the greatest muscular strength is the probable winner.

Conflicts between animals always arouse interest, what is difficult is giving absolute answers. To analyze it, we must start by analyzing their weapons and the strength and speed with which they are handled. In leopards the weapons would be the fangs and the claws and the strength is provided by the muscular mass. Fangs and claws are very similar in size between one animal and another, with which the differentiating factor would be corporal size
 
However, in addition to the physical factors, there are others such as age, fitness and aggressiveness, and this varies from one to another and is not totally linked to size.
 
If I had to bet on a winning leopard in a fight, as long as the difference in weight is not obvious, I would look at the age, possibly around 6/9 years would be the ideal age to be in his prime, who owns the leopard territory, since statistics show that whoever is defending it is usually the winner and then I would look if he has scars on his face, a sign of having experience in such conflicts. Aggressiveness is difficult to predict, you can only get a slight idea by looking into his eyes
 
With all this, nothing guarantees me that I was right, because unexpected circumstances  may interfere in any conflict. Of all of them, the least significant for me would be the place of origin of the leopard.
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( This post was last modified: 12-10-2022, 06:18 PM by Luipaard )

(12-10-2022, 01:02 AM)JUJOMORE Wrote:
(12-07-2022, 02:45 AM)Styx38 Wrote:
Quote:The origin, morphotype or subspecies of a leopard does not influence the result of a fight. As long as the size difference is not excessive, the determining factor is the aggressive nature of the individual.


@JUJOMORE I would not disagree with you, but Luipaard made a good post here.

It is true, it is a good post, he gives his opinion and argues it, but in the end what he comes to say is that the animal with the greatest muscular strength is the probable winner.

Conflicts between animals always arouse interest, what is difficult is giving absolute answers. To analyze it, we must start by analyzing their weapons and the strength and speed with which they are handled. In leopards the weapons would be the fangs and the claws and the strength is provided by the muscular mass. Fangs and claws are very similar in size between one animal and another, with which the differentiating factor would be corporal size
 
However, in addition to the physical factors, there are others such as age, fitness and aggressiveness, and this varies from one to another and is not totally linked to size.
 
If I had to bet on a winning leopard in a fight, as long as the difference in weight is not obvious, I would look at the age, possibly around 6/9 years would be the ideal age to be in his prime, who owns the leopard territory, since statistics show that whoever is defending it is usually the winner and then I would look if he has scars on his face, a sign of having experience in such conflicts. Aggressiveness is difficult to predict, you can only get a slight idea by looking into his eyes
 
With all this, nothing guarantees me that I was right, because unexpected circumstances  may interfere in any conflict. Of all of them, the least significant for me would be the place of origin of the leopard.

You're missing a point here. The origin of a leopard can be a consequence of a leopard's robustness. The origin itself influences the robustness due to numerous factors such as prey, environment and place in the food chain (i.e. character release). I'm not focusing on a country (e.g. South African leopard which is a savannah leopard) but on the ecosystem the leopard lives in. Still individualism exists hence why I always said one usually wins. That means one will win more often than not due to certain factors (which I addressed previously). Because nothing is certain in nature.

I do agree that both age and aggressiveness are an important factor. I've seen smaller male leopards beat a larger male pure due to experience and greater behaviour (see my post of Tyson vs Mafufanyane for example).
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A big male leopard kills a young leopard





Intraspecific killing among Leopards (Panthera pardus) in Iran (Mammalia: Felidae) 

Intraspecific aggression is one of the most common causes of death in leopards. Here, we report  four cases of intraspecific killing amongst Persian Leopards (Panthera par-dus saxicolor) in Iran. A young male leopard was found on 7 June 2008 which, accord-ing to camera trap images, had been killed  by an adult male over a Red Deer (Cervus elaphus) kill,  with  trauma to  his neck  in Dorfak  No-Hunting Area.  A young  female that had been fitted with a satellite GPS collar on 6 December 2015 in Tandoureh Na-tional Park died on 29 January 2016  at  a  site  where  an  Urial Sheep  (Ovis orientalis) ram  had been  freshly killed.  Necropsy  results,  footprints  at  the  scene  of  death  and camera trap footage all  supported the deduction  that the animal was killed by a larger female  leopard  at  the kill  site. On  13  January 2017,  a young,  partially eaten  female leopard was found with double puncture on the side of her throat. Finally, a rehabilitat-ed adult female  fitted  with  a  satellite GPS collar found  on 19 December 2017 with  a double puncture on her head with several trauma and haemorrhages on her back. These instances seem to be the  first documented reports of  intraspecific  killing among free-ranging leopards in Asia.

Intraspecific killing among Leopards (Panthera pardus) in Iran (Mammalia: Felidae)
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