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Lion Predation
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 (01-20-2015, 12:10 AM)'TheLioness' Wrote: I appolgoize for how I talked to you pkcts, I've been rather sick for couple months, getting over flu right now, and some of the things you say and ho you respond to lion predation makes me irritated by how it seems you dislike giving them any credit. I appreciate the apology, no hard feelings. We all get worked up on here from time to time. "If a single smaller lioness can kill an adult cow, simply said a heavier stronger male can kill a heavier bull. Its simple logic." Maybe, maybe not. A lone male lion can take on 4 plus females at once and can dominate a kill over a entire pride so if the same logic is used for a Bull buffalo, than there is a huge differnce between a cow and Bull buffalo. "A male lion killing a bull is able to be done, I've seen it, read it, ect." Aside from Varty, can you post where you have read it or seen it? 
I'll get back to you when i can. [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]
4 females would kill a male, its all about intimidation really. 
Fact being there is eyewitness account of single lion taking bull buffalo (Varty), along with video of the same.
You choose to discredit them. The simple facts. This has been an interesting go-round. Aside from some small arms fire, no harm done. Collectively, let this be a lesson in congeniality. (01-20-2015, 12:17 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:(01-20-2015, 12:15 AM)'chaos' Wrote:Of what?(01-19-2015, 11:59 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: All I know is that komodo dragon nip at buffalo, the wounds never coagulate and they became weak from infection over time. Usually days, while the komodo take follow and bite them until they finally give in. While a lone wolf taking down a bison is extremely impressive, we still need to know many factors. Was the bison, old, young, wounded, sick etc. ~~What packer said, I don't know, it wasn't me who posted it. Ok. Until verified, nobody knows if its true. (01-20-2015, 12:23 AM)'chaos' Wrote: Fact being there is eyewitness account of single lion taking bull buffalo (Varty), along with video of the same. Fact remains, that there is no video of it occurring, anywhere. And Varty is the only "eye witness'' to claim it. So if you want to use Varty, than that means you must agree that Tigers have a much stronger bite force, they jump higher and are more powerful. My goal is not to start a L vs T debate, just to show you that if you want to use Varty for one statement than you should use him for all statements he has made. I on the other hand prefer to use unbiased people with no alterior motive who use actual proof and research no the financial gain to dictate what they do or say. (01-20-2015, 12:27 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:(01-20-2015, 12:02 AM)'chaos' Wrote: I would appreciate your take on the single lion with the bull buffalo. Where are the other lions? Do you think they You didn't directly address my questions. Also, the incidents you referenced were single tiger attacks. Large male lions are of similar size and weaponry. Based on that premise, its logical to assume one lion was involved. A lions hunting technique is much different than the tigers. There is a video on youtube of two male lions taking a bull buffalo with amazing ease, immediately upon attack. Once down, its over for the buffalo. One invariably goes for the throat bite. This is what I base my claim upon. It certainly wouldn't take multiple lions that much time. See post # 113 in this very thread. More like 22 seconds, not 22 hours. (01-20-2015, 12:30 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:(01-20-2015, 12:23 AM)'chaos' Wrote: Fact being there is eyewitness account of single lion taking bull buffalo (Varty), along with video of the same. He witnessed firsthand a lion taking a bull buffalo. Has nothing to do with his opinion on lions and tigers. 
I'm netural on this but you really can't compare lions with tigers when it comes to predation. Tigers are more suitable to taking down bigger prey since they are more agile than lions. 1v1 is different but Tigers are superior hunters
(01-20-2015, 12:54 AM)'chaos' Wrote:(01-20-2015, 12:30 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:(01-20-2015, 12:23 AM)'chaos' Wrote: Fact being there is eyewitness account of single lion taking bull buffalo (Varty), along with video of the same. He witnessed first hand tigers crushing shells and lions being unable to crush the same shells. He witnessed male lions fighting and male tigers fighting and said nothing is as powerful as a male tiger fighting, he witnessed lions jumping and tigers jumping and said tigers are the superior leaper. Or so he claimed, so if you wanted to use his eye witness account, then you should use all of them, should you not? I on the other hand dont care what he claims, he is a proven liar who uses exaggerated stories to try and bring attention to his financial endevour. At least that is what I have taken from the stories I have read and the accounts of his claims and the gov't denials. I have no idea what he has or hasn't seen but for somebody to claim that they have seen a event that nobody else has ever seen and to then claim that not only did they see it but it was also the largest animal ever recorded, etc. Is to much to believe in my opinion, that is all. (01-20-2015, 12:40 AM)'faess' Wrote: I'm trying to find the site where I read the source from but TFS, intersting listen.
~~He witnessed male lions fighting and male tigers fighting and said nothing is as powerful as a male tiger fighting,
This is an opinion. Crushing shells? Probably a technique involved. Of no significance. Most in the know are aware tigers are better jumpers. No revelations in any of this. This isnt about LvT. The man witnessed an attack, you claim hes lying. (01-20-2015, 01:23 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:(01-20-2015, 12:40 AM)'faess' Wrote: I'm trying to find the site where I read the source from but I do believe he was talking about lionesses. No mention of males. We've already seen it happen before with adult cows. Even Packer can proven wrong. (01-20-2015, 01:26 AM)'chaos' Wrote: ~~He witnessed male lions fighting and male tigers fighting and said nothing is as powerful as a male tiger fighting, Technique involved? Where would a tiger have picked up a shell crushing technique over a lion? You choose to accept one and not the other to back your point. I choose to use actual proof and evidence. So If I am not mistaken then, the only actual account that you can provide of any eye witness is the Varty claim? Ok, well that is far from proof IMO, especially with all the other non sense that comes along with it, I.E. "800kg bull Buffalo" (01-20-2015, 01:30 AM)'chaos' Wrote:He specifically states males lions and their hunting of larger prey, together. Packer can be proven wrong, but it just hasn't happened yet and he has decades of expierence with these aniimals in their wild settings. So his word is gold compared to any of ours.(01-20-2015, 01:23 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:(01-20-2015, 12:40 AM)'faess' Wrote: I'm trying to find the site where I read the source from but 'chaos' Wrote: Not sure if this has already been posted. This lion single handedly takes this bull buffalo down. No assist to his partners on this. Not the largest, but nonetheless, male. http://youtu.be/L3aAGPa3Ifk Seems more videos are surfacing. Already posted here, its a cow. No Testicles, and there are 3 lions on it. Seems that the same videos are posted because none are able find any with a single lion taking down a adult bull buffalo. (01-20-2015, 01:37 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:(01-20-2015, 01:26 AM)'chaos' Wrote: ~~He witnessed male lions fighting and male tigers fighting and said nothing is as powerful as a male tiger fighting, ~~So If I am not mistaken then, the only actual account that you can provide of any eye witness is the Varty claim? You made the claim there are none, correct? Also, no video proof. There seems to be some of that surfacing. |
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