There is a world somewhere between reality and fiction. Although ignored by many, it is very real and so are those living in it. This forum is about the natural world. Here, wild animals will be heard and respected. The forum offers a glimpse into an unknown world as well as a room with a view on the present and the future. Anyone able to speak on behalf of those living in the emerald forest and the deep blue sea is invited to join.
Asif Ali isn't a fan of any lion, even though he claims to be fan of the Matimba males.
He's simply an internet troll that for some reason enjoys misleading people and at the same time spreading lies about many coalitions, including the Matimba males themselves.
So I can't stress enough that whatever you guys read from him, regardless of it is on his pages or groups or personally, regard it as a lie unless you see it already posted many times on proper sources, like rangers or lodges.
08-23-2018, 03:58 AM( This post was last modified: 08-23-2018, 03:59 AM by Michael )
(08-23-2018, 02:43 AM)Herekitty Wrote: We've all seen this footage from last August in Malamala where Nsuku returned to a kill only to find Hairy Belly nose deep in the carcass, and the ensuing standoff. Reading the facebook comments to this video most commentators seemed to believe that HB, despite being unmoved from the carcass, displayed submissive behaviour to Nsuku, and that Nsuku showed fearlessness, despite not actually pursuing the fight.
There's further footage of this incident, which I think better illustrates the dynamic between the two lions, and exactly why Nsuku didn't pursue it further.
Credit: Malamala, video by jontybozas, posted August 15, 2018.
We miss a lot of animal interaction because if there is an actual conflict it is the majority of time witnessed or accounted for, but if there is a small interaction like this one most of them aren't registered.
It's similar to the interactions between leopards and hyenas if both parties are alone there is no conflict because both would get hurt in an actual fight, it's similar to this interaction what would be the point of physically altercation they would both end up hurt and nothing good would come off it.
In one on one situations most animals avoid fighting due to the danger that injuries represent.
(08-23-2018, 02:43 AM)Herekitty Wrote: We've all seen this footage from last August in Malamala where Nsuku returned to a kill only to find Hairy Belly nose deep in the carcass, and the ensuing standoff. Reading the facebook comments to this video most commentators seemed to believe that HB, despite being unmoved from the carcass, displayed submissive behaviour to Nsuku, and that Nsuku showed fearlessness, despite not actually pursuing the fight.
There's further footage of this incident, which I think better illustrates the dynamic between the two lions, and exactly why Nsuku didn't pursue it further.
Credit: Malamala, video by jontybozas, posted August 15, 2018.
We miss a lot of animal interaction because if there is an actual conflict it is the majority of time witnessed or accounted for, but if there is a small interaction like this one most of them aren't registered.
It's similar to the interactions between leopards and hyenas if both parties are alone there is no conflict because both would get hurt in an actual fight, it's similar to this interaction what would be the point of physically altercation they would both end up hurt and nothing good would come off it.
In one on one situations most animals avoid fighting due to the danger that injuries represent.
I agree with you....but what if instead of Nsuku would have been Mfumo or Tinyo, or maybe both of them?
(08-23-2018, 02:43 AM)Herekitty Wrote: We've all seen this footage from last August in Malamala where Nsuku returned to a kill only to find Hairy Belly nose deep in the carcass, and the ensuing standoff. Reading the facebook comments to this video most commentators seemed to believe that HB, despite being unmoved from the carcass, displayed submissive behaviour to Nsuku, and that Nsuku showed fearlessness, despite not actually pursuing the fight.
There's further footage of this incident, which I think better illustrates the dynamic between the two lions, and exactly why Nsuku didn't pursue it further.
Credit: Malamala, video by jontybozas, posted August 15, 2018.
We miss a lot of animal interaction because if there is an actual conflict it is the majority of time witnessed or accounted for, but if there is a small interaction like this one most of them aren't registered.
It's similar to the interactions between leopards and hyenas if both parties are alone there is no conflict because both would get hurt in an actual fight, it's similar to this interaction what would be the point of physically altercation they would both end up hurt and nothing good would come off it.
In one on one situations most animals avoid fighting due to the danger that injuries represent.
I agree with you....but what if instead of Nsuku would have been Mfumo or Tinyo, or maybe both of them?
We do have this video of two B-Boys running into a Selati. I am inclined to think that lions do have a sense of what is at stake in a fight. If it involves territory or pride and they are asserting their dominance they will press the issue and do some serious fighting, otherwise they are more inclined to prove a point and move on.
I think more than likely they would have chased HB off without mortal combat. And as experienced as HB is he would have thought better of it than to hang around a kill if he sensed he was being overwhelmed. I think most young lions get mauled because they don't have a sense of when to call it quits.
Older shot of Mfumo. Credit: Djuma, image by ubonsafari, posted August 23, 2018 We tracked one of the Birmingham males for a good hour and finally found him walking on the road. He then walked into the thickets and joined another member of this coalition and did what lions love to do… That is become a flat cats. However as we sat there one eye opened and gave us a stare just to remind us who was the boss.
Credit: Malamala, image by Andrew Danckwerts, posted August 23, 2018
People ask me about my bio...”let the wild god in”. Don’t flatter yourself, this has nothing to do with religion. I took it from the finest piece of writing I have ever read. “Sometimes a wild god”-by Tom Hirons. Theres many messages within the poem and lots one can take from it. It, to me, speaks of the wildness inside you. Something I tried to fight down for many years until I realized it was as a part of me as my heart and lungs and head and brain. It’s the part of you that wants to chose the hard route, the fast route, the meaningful route. The part that wants to open a Guinness at breakfast and be doing naked handstand tequilas by lunch. Its the instinctual response not the intellectual response. It’s the part of you that wants to fight, tooth and fucking nail against the system for what you believe in. It is you. Let him in.
(08-23-2018, 02:43 AM)Herekitty Wrote: We've all seen this footage from last August in Malamala where Nsuku returned to a kill only to find Hairy Belly nose deep in the carcass, and the ensuing standoff. Reading the facebook comments to this video most commentators seemed to believe that HB, despite being unmoved from the carcass, displayed submissive behaviour to Nsuku, and that Nsuku showed fearlessness, despite not actually pursuing the fight.
There's further footage of this incident, which I think better illustrates the dynamic between the two lions, and exactly why Nsuku didn't pursue it further.
Credit: Malamala, video by jontybozas, posted August 15, 2018.
We miss a lot of animal interaction because if there is an actual conflict it is the majority of time witnessed or accounted for, but if there is a small interaction like this one most of them aren't registered.
It's similar to the interactions between leopards and hyenas if both parties are alone there is no conflict because both would get hurt in an actual fight, it's similar to this interaction what would be the point of physically altercation they would both end up hurt and nothing good would come off it.
In one on one situations most animals avoid fighting due to the danger that injuries represent.
I agree with you....but what if instead of Nsuku would have been Mfumo or Tinyo, or maybe both of them?
We do have this video of two B-Boys running into a Selati. I am inclined to think that lions do have a sense of what is at stake in a fight. If it involves territory or pride and they are asserting their dominance they will press the issue and do some serious fighting, otherwise they are more inclined to prove a point and move on.
I think more than likely they would have chased HB off without mortal combat. And as experienced as HB is he would have thought better of it than to hang around a kill if he sensed he was being overwhelmed. I think most young lions get mauled because they don't have a sense of when to call it quits.
The Bboys(Nsuku and Scrapper) were so young, the big Selati male it was at that stage with i think 30% bigger than the two boys.I also think that in most of the cases all that matters is to give a lesson and show dominance rather than engage in a mortal fight.The self-preservation instinct also in the animal world prevails.But are nevertheless also exception from the rule...
Scrapper seems to have truly lived up to his name. He looks more aggressive than the bigger Nsuku and that too despite probably not having much more than half the power of the Selati, which looks to be in his prime.
Nhenha. Credit: Londolozi, image by James Tyrrell, posted August 22, 2018 A rather uninteresting photo of one of the Birmingham males, but I felt we had to include a lion photo of some sort, and I haven’t really taken any this week apart from this one. This male was found with four of the Ntsevu females in the south-central parts of the reserve, but by the next morning he had linked up with two of his brothers after they and the Ntsevu females had apparently chased the Tsalala lioness in the river near camp, judging by all the roaring we heard at dawn.
