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Modern weights and measurements on wild tigers
Modern weights and measurements on wild tigers
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Modern weights and measurements on wild tigers
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Thank you so much @Pckts
I found the pictures of MV2 and he looked empty and that at the worst part of the season. He has development in his body structure left and that means an adult male with same dimensions most likely would weigh more Umarpani must easily be a 250 kg tiger in summer weight (personally I would add 20+ kg more) I have worked with 2 lions at the same age (captive) with smaller size differences that had 70-80 kg weight difference. I would say in winter weight Uma can be close to 300 kg. I would love to have measurements from him. 
From your posts, I would believe you have discovered the biggest wild felid on Earth !
(06-21-2018, 04:16 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:(06-21-2018, 10:53 AM)Spalea Wrote: From your posts, I would believe you have discovered the biggest wild felid on Earth ! To you @Pantherinae and @Pckts when I have read your discussion. But nothing hugely important ! (06-21-2018, 06:20 PM)Spalea Wrote:Well do you think it’s far off? Did you watch the video of Umarpani and MV2 together taken just days ago? You’re writing seems arrogant and I think if you disagree and decide to say something, just say it. Don’t indirectly say it.. That’s never been a good thing(06-21-2018, 04:16 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:(06-21-2018, 10:53 AM)Spalea Wrote: From your posts, I would believe you have discovered the biggest wild felid on Earth ! (06-21-2018, 06:35 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:Ooooh be calm ! I don't laugh at you at all. Umapani is indeed a beautiful tiger, I think it really (so the "(06-21-2018, 06:20 PM)Spalea Wrote:Well do you think it’s far off? Did you watch the video of Umarpani and MV2 together taken just days ago? You’re writing seems arrogant and I think if you disagree and decide to say something, just say it. Don’t indirectly say it.. That’s never been a good thing(06-21-2018, 04:16 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:(06-21-2018, 10:53 AM)Spalea Wrote: From your posts, I would believe you have discovered the biggest wild felid on Earth ! "). There is nothing to make a fuss about, please swallow your susceptibility, thank you.
(06-21-2018, 07:13 PM)Spalea Wrote:The way you wrote the previous messages seemed to written with a bit of irony, at least to me.(06-21-2018, 06:35 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:Ooooh be calm ! I don't laugh at you at all. Umapani is indeed a beautiful tiger, I think it really (so the "(06-21-2018, 06:20 PM)Spalea Wrote:Well do you think it’s far off? Did you watch the video of Umarpani and MV2 together taken just days ago? You’re writing seems arrogant and I think if you disagree and decide to say something, just say it. Don’t indirectly say it.. That’s never been a good thing(06-21-2018, 04:16 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:(06-21-2018, 10:53 AM)Spalea Wrote: From your posts, I would believe you have discovered the biggest wild felid on Earth ! Spalea wrote: From you’re posts, I would belive you have Discoverd the biggest wild felid on earth ! ? But if I misunderstod I apologise, I’m just saying that if you disagree with anything and you decide to say something just say what you mean is wrong and start a better discussion. That’s what I thought. But since I was wrong I deeply apologise. BTW I think there are bigger tigers in Terrai and Assam. Uma is very big, but I didn’t think that big myself, but when you hear about MV2 195 kg (2 years) and Bheema 220 kg (2,5 years) I actually need to look at him as bigger than I thought!
Sanjay Ranade
Kanha’s tiger sets out for Satkosia Tiger Reserve The management of Kanha Tiger Reserve in Madhya Pradesh captured and translocated a tiger for reintroduction into the Satkosia Tiger Reserve, Odisha on June 20, 2018 afternoon. The tiger was immobilized by the wildlife veterinarians of Kanha and Pench Tiger Reserves, and was measured for different physical parameters. The entire operation was carried out by the Kanha management under the guidance of chief conservator of forests and field director (Kanha Tiger Reserve) Dr Sanjay Kumar Shukla. The Ministry of Environment, Forests and Climate Change, New Delhi, National Tiger Conservation Authority, New Delhi, and Wildlife Institute of India, Dehradun have prepared a special project for the reintroduction of tigers into the Satkosia Tiger Reserve. Under this project, the Madhya Pradesh forest department is to give away 6 tigers (3 pairs) to the Odisha government for reintroduction. As two tigers are to be sent from Kanha, this was the first tiger in this sequence. In the conservation history of India, this was the first time that a tiger from any tiger reserve has been sent to another state for reintroduction. Hopefully, this tiger will fulfill the objective of this ambitious project and help establish a good population of tigers at Satkosia. A team of forest officers and wildlife veterinarian also arrived at Kanha from Odisha for this operation. K S Bhadoria, Joint Director, Anjana Suchita Tirkey, deputy director, Kanha Tiger Reserve, Dr K Ramesh, senior scientist, Wildlife Institute of India, Dehradun, Dr Rakesh Shukla, research officer, Dr Sandeep Agrawal, wildlife veterinarian, Kanha Tiger Reserve, Dr Akhilesh Mishra, wildlife veterinarian, Pench Tiger Reserve, S K Khare, S K Sinha, Ranjit Singh Uikey, S K Mishra, S K Sendram, assistant directors, range officers, and the staff of Kanha Tiger Reserve participated in this operation.  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author M.P. Tiger Foundation Society, India Tiger translocation ,Kanha to Satkosia .......a big leap in tiger conservation efforts in India . Congratulations team MP and Odisha . MB2 was confirmed to be 195kg Nose to Base of the tail 205cm Tail Length 92cm Shoulder Height 125cm Age 2.4 years old They follow the "over the curves protocol" Video's of MB2 and his Father, Umarpani Male together. From May From this month Now going off of these two videos, I'd guess the Umarpani male to be 250kg plus. Umarpani has a much larger head and his muscle mass is far more dense, body measurements look close but Umarpani still looks larger in all departments. (06-21-2018, 07:36 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:(06-21-2018, 07:13 PM)Spalea Wrote:The way you wrote the previous messages seemed to written with a bit of irony, at least to me.(06-21-2018, 06:35 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:Ooooh be calm ! I don't laugh at you at all. Umapani is indeed a beautiful tiger, I think it really (so the "(06-21-2018, 06:20 PM)Spalea Wrote:Well do you think it’s far off? Did you watch the video of Umarpani and MV2 together taken just days ago? You’re writing seems arrogant and I think if you disagree and decide to say something, just say it. Don’t indirectly say it.. That’s never been a good thing(06-21-2018, 04:16 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:(06-21-2018, 10:53 AM)Spalea Wrote: From your posts, I would believe you have discovered the biggest wild felid on Earth ! I've heard much bigger than these measurements:  *This image is copyright of its original author 180kg tigress in front of him, he's said to be over 345kg Tiger, weighed! The source is good too, others here can confirm it. (06-21-2018, 07:36 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:OK, no problem...(06-21-2018, 07:13 PM)Spalea Wrote:The way you wrote the previous messages seemed to written with a bit of irony, at least to me.(06-21-2018, 06:35 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:Ooooh be calm ! I don't laugh at you at all. Umapani is indeed a beautiful tiger, I think it really (so the "(06-21-2018, 06:20 PM)Spalea Wrote:Well do you think it’s far off? Did you watch the video of Umarpani and MV2 together taken just days ago? You’re writing seems arrogant and I think if you disagree and decide to say something, just say it. Don’t indirectly say it.. That’s never been a good thing(06-21-2018, 04:16 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:(06-21-2018, 10:53 AM)Spalea Wrote: From your posts, I would believe you have discovered the biggest wild felid on Earth ! Being not as specialized about tiger as you and @Pckts, when I spoke about a possible 300 kilos-weighed tiger (from yourself at the #1374), I logically would be able to believe that Umapani could be the biggest wild tiger actually living on Earth (considering the average tiger's weight is 200-220 kilos). Perhaps other tigers can be even bigger... But actually now, it seems me rather improbable (because of the human action, already discussed at other topics). (06-21-2018, 10:32 PM)Pckts Wrote:(06-21-2018, 07:36 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:(06-21-2018, 07:13 PM)Spalea Wrote:The way you wrote the previous messages seemed to written with a bit of irony, at least to me.(06-21-2018, 06:35 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:Ooooh be calm ! I don't laugh at you at all. Umapani is indeed a beautiful tiger, I think it really (so the "(06-21-2018, 06:20 PM)Spalea Wrote:Well do you think it’s far off? Did you watch the video of Umarpani and MV2 together taken just days ago? You’re writing seems arrogant and I think if you disagree and decide to say something, just say it. Don’t indirectly say it.. That’s never been a good thing(06-21-2018, 04:16 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:(06-21-2018, 10:53 AM)Spalea Wrote: From your posts, I would believe you have discovered the biggest wild felid on Earth ! Yes as I said these tigers are comfortably bigger than Uma no doubt, and Uma in my estimates are between 250-300 kg. Makes 340 kg for this monster very reliable imo. 
now that i think about it, the biggest female i have ever seen was this Katarniaghat female from Dudhwa tiger reserve.Collarwali (Pench), Baghin nallah (Pench) Choti Mada (Kanha) Badi Mada (Pench) A mark (Nagzira) Jharni (Navegon buffer) Hirdi Nallah (Kolsa) and a countless others from Central India are very impressive in their own way but this is a level beyond them. females from the North could rival some of the smallest males.
 *This image is copyright of its original author here is the Katarnaghiat female, there is a verified weight of a 180kg tigress from this region so you can imagine how big she is. this makes me wonder about the Rajaji Male, he was absolutely enormous and his pugmarks the biggest i have ever seen.  *This image is copyright of its original author Camera trap photo by Wildlife Institute of India, forwarded it to Prerna Bindra. this huge male ruled a large area in Rajaji’s Chilla range.  *This image is copyright of its original author his pugmarks, biggest you’ll ever see. feel free to show me anything bigger. No Wagdoh, No Umarpani, No Hairyfoot or Madla could provide you with Pugmarks this big. this is why tigers of Terai and Assam are on a whole new level.  *This image is copyright of its original author It seems like this entire stretch that covers Rajaji, Corbett, Dudhwa and Pilibhit from India side and then add in Shuklaphanta, Chitwan and Bardia from Nepal side. this entire group has some of the biggest males and females in that entire region. look a bit towards the east, Kaziranga, Manas, Buxa, Orang, Nameri, Namdapha and Bhutan. they are just as impressive if not more. 
SIZE OF INDIAN TIGERS
A century ago A century ago, the region just south of the Himalayas produced the longest tigers (total length measured 'over curves'). Chitwan tigers topped the list. Assam tigers shot in the same period, although shorter, were heavier than those shot in northern India, but the Maharajah of Cooch Behar weighed nearly all of his tigers, whereas Sir John Hewett didn't. The tigers he wasn't able to weigh were significantly longer than those he weighed. Back then, there was a strong relation between total length and weight in Indian tigers in that long tigers were relatively heavier than shorter tigers. The difference was about 6-7 pounds per inch. If he had been able to weigh all tigers he shot, Hewett's average for northern India would have well exceeded that of Assam. Although the average for Assam males was 461 pounds, 450-455 would have been closer to the mark. The reason was a number of 'gorged' tigers. Based on what I had, I got to 475-490 for northern India and a bit more for Nepal. Today Many years later, 7 males captured in Chitwan averaged 520 pounds. Although the average was adjusted later, I decided for 520 in order to be able to compare tigers shot a century ago with those captured in the seventies and eighties of the last century. The comparison I did says there's not much to choose between back then and today for (total) length, but tigers weighed in the last decades were heavier than a century ago. Based on what I have, I'd say that the difference is 20-40 pounds at the level of averages, maybe even a bit more in regions with large tigers. To be more concrete. The averages today (males of 6 years and older), depending on region (not including the Naga Hills and the Sunderbans) and the local conditions, could range between 420-520 pounds. As exceptional individuals can exceed the 'normal' maximum by 25-35%, males well exceeding 600 pounds can be expected in northern India and Nepal every now and then. The heaviest shot in unmolested Nepal (705 pounds) was 10.9 'over curves' in total length. My guess is that tigers of that size are still around. The problem is the scales used by biologists. That and a lack of experience in darting exceptional individuals. Exceptional individuals Tigers in northeastern India might top the table for skulls. A century ago, skulls of large males ranged between 360-400 mm. (greatest total length). Not one of these even approached 10 feet in total length measured 'between pegs', meaning they were not of exceptional size. The photographs and videos I saw suggest they (males and females) still have more rounded and larger skulls than elsewhere. Different breed, so it seems. Exceptional individuals are most often seen in large ecosystems. The larger the system, the better the chance to see an exceptional tiger. Seen in this light, the region just south of the Himalayas (from Rajaji to Kazirangha) and southwestern India (Western Ghats) still top the list. Central India has a chance when reserves are connected. Tigers need a lot of space. Based on what I know, I'd say that northern India is the region to visit if you're interested in large tigers. The Rajaji tiger is the largest I saw, but the reserves just east of Rajaji (up to and including Dudhwa) also have large tigers. Same for Chitwan, of course. Tigers in northeastern India often appear to be more massive, but they could be shorter and not as tall. The big skull can result in a somewhat distorted view as well. Arunachal Pradesh I'm very interested in the situation close to the China border (Arunachal Pradesh). Authorities said that two captive, but wild-caught, tigers (male and female) were quite different from your typical Indian tiger: different coat (less stripes), more aggressive and larger all the way. I read quite a few books written by people in the know who spent their days in northeastern India. Not a few of them said that male tigers in that part of India were following elephants. They often found remains of youngsters killed and eaten by tigers. Could that culture have resulted in specialisation? There are reliable reports about lions hunting elephants in some regions of southern Africa and tigers hunting rhinos (including adult females) in northeastern India. Time to read a bit more about the fauna in that part of India, I think. Which large mammals are seen in elevated regions in northeastern India?  (06-22-2018, 06:19 AM)peter Wrote: SIZE OF INDIAN TIGERS Do you believe that 320kg bengal tiger recorded by hunting is reliable ? |
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