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Lions of Sabi Sands
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And we can’t forget that the ndzengas have the most aggressive females in sabi sands behind them and it’s rumored that they helped kill the othawa male so unless they are willing to mate with the plains camp males they’ll have to face those 5 girls plus 2 ndzengas potentially
Floppy Ear resting in Umkumbe River Lodge (he was investigating a kill made by Nweti Male leopard)
Credits to umkumbe_river_lodge 
Mantimahles chased 5 NKs off a hippo according to a Jaci Sabi House guide. Let’s see how the 3 Kambulas respond.
Video from Londolozi where we can clearly see and know what clearly happened between the chase of Ndzhengas and PCM, also Tsalala lioness feeding on a kudu.
(Yesterday, 02:33 PM)sunless Wrote: Video from Londolozi where we can clearly see and know what clearly happened between the chase of Ndzhengas and PCM, also Tsalala lioness feeding on a kudu.I usually try not to glorify male lion altercations, because it is a very grim thing. But it's seriously impressive to watch these duos push at each other. The first time they clashed it was the PCMs who charged first with the Ndzhengas then pushing them back, this time it was the reverse - Ndzhengas had PCMs sprinting for their life, only for them to mount a counter-attack and split the Ndzhengas up. As most people have said, let's hope this never actually escalates into a physical altercation. But both these duos are seriously impressive, and I admire how in sync they are with each other. Very difficult not to feel a sense of awe at 2 duos in their prime going head to head. Let's just hope they stick to what they're doing right now, which is reaffirming territorial boundaries. Ndzhengas need to check the PCMs' eastward advance so the PCMs continue to focus on their Western prides, and the PCMs need to shore up their eastern boundary so their lionesses can focus on raising their cubs.
Hi,so how are the dynamics looking like. Ik they're in competition but how's the Ndhzenga vs Pcm looking like?
Also @Mapokser you're based brother I saw your take on BDM being huge when all other people from that section where acting like he's some normal sized lion. I actually got pictures of his skull (from Ziggi hugo) and it's like 28inches in total score wich is comparable to the biggest brown bears ?  (Yesterday, 03:22 PM)Vengeous Wrote:(Yesterday, 02:33 PM)sunless Wrote: Video from Londolozi where we can clearly see and know what clearly happened between the chase of Ndzhengas and PCM, also Tsalala lioness feeding on a kudu.I usually try not to glorify male lion altercations, because it is a very grim thing. But it's seriously impressive to watch these duos push at each other. The first time they clashed it was the PCMs who charged first with the Ndzhengas then pushing them back, this time it was the reverse - Ndzhengas had PCMs sprinting for their life, only for them to mount a counter-attack and split the Ndzhengas up. As most people have said, let's hope this never actually escalates into a physical altercation. But both these duos are seriously impressive, and I admire how in sync they are with each other. Very difficult not to feel a sense of awe at 2 duos in their prime going head to head. Let's just hope they stick to what they're doing right now, which is reaffirming territorial boundaries. Ndzhengas need to check the PCMs' eastward advance so the PCMs continue to focus on their Western prides, and the PCMs need to shore up their eastern boundary so their lionesses can focus on raising their cubs. Being in sync is vital in these encounters. The Ndzengas seemed to have the upper hand until they split up for some reason. Then it seemed that the PC males sensed the other two were no longer together, and tried to catch one of them on their own. I'm glad the Ndzengas were able to get away. I think if Amahle was caught on his own, he would have a better chance of fighting them off until OE got there, but if OE was caught on his own, then I think he would be at a serious disadvantage. Luckily his smaller size and leanness means he's probably better able to outrun them. The Ndzenga males are to date the only males to successfully check the PC males and repel them, since they became fully territorial at least. As you said, let's hope this remains just a re-establishing of territorial boundaries and doesn't escalate into a physical altercation. If one of the duos caught another alone for long enough, I fear the damage done would be serious.  (Yesterday, 02:33 PM)sunless Wrote: From what I can conclude in the video is that it's like they are just reestablishing the territory lines like the last time they chased back and forth in Londolozi as half of Londolozi is the territory of Ndzhengas while the other half is the PCM. Yea, this again shows how important territory for this animals is. Similar as in first altercation, PCMs prob step a bit too further towards Ndhzengas, and Ndhzengas responded chasing them back, but when PCMs "felt" they are kinda in their territory now they turn around and said "ok, this is enough, we cant let you more ground, at this line we fight" and turn around. Ndhzengas smartly recognized that this is the "line" at which PCMs will stand their ground and fight, so they made right decision, they split and retreated, as in a direct fight with 2 bigger males who are charging in directly towards you, they are prob underdogs. After that with roaring they both "agreed" on their "new" boundary. (11 hours ago)NLAL11 Wrote: The Ndzengas seemed to have the upper hand until they split up for some reason. Then it seemed that the PC males sensed the other two were no longer together, and tried to catch one of them on their own. That very well might be a tactic/bait. You try to split them by "lure" 1 individual (usually more confident and stronger) to make a fatal mistake and overchase them without waiting for his partners. When you see they are split and another member are further behind, you turn and try to grab that pushing member, by the time 2nd male comes (if he doesnt retreat), you are in big advantage, as you already have 1 member down in favorable position. Many cases of this, most famous KT/MrT vs Majingilanes. This also shows how complex these clashes are, and why some coalition, who might even have number advantage, are struggling. Strong duo is hard to beat, they will "play you" around, confuse you, get you tired, be patient and wait for 1 member to make fatal mistake. (10 hours ago)Tr1x24 Wrote:I think the really interesting thing is that if you watch the Londolozi video, the guide (Sean) mentioned that the PCMs seemed to almost confer with each other before they mounted their counter-offensive. They heard a grunt from the Ndzhengas and then had a quick "chat" or something like that. I think there's a lot more subtext to lion dynamics in a back-and-forth chase than we realise.(11 hours ago)NLAL11 Wrote: The Ndzengas seemed to have the upper hand until they split up for some reason. Then it seemed that the PC males sensed the other two were no longer together, and tried to catch one of them on their own.
The bond coalitions must have to deal with these threats are at times, amazing. The fact they have so much confidence they turn around and go towards a charging force, knowing their brother / partner has their back the entire time instead of being left to die is crazy and exactly the reason we, at times, see the smaller coalitions being able to hold on, or even win these encounters.
This is the exact reason the Gijimas are able to hold on against the Nkhulus for now, split up they stand no chance, but when they charge together, hip to hip, Nkhulus can’t see any weakness and don’t want to risk a direct confrontation. This obviously isn’t seen in all coalitions, I mean the 4 Kambulas just ran from Ndzengas again today (K4 reunited with them). If they were to charge at any coalition in the North, hip to hip, nobody stands a chance, however they don’t have the right mentality that allows them to do that.  (7 hours ago)KM600 Wrote: The bond coalitions must have to deal with these threats are at times, amazing. The fact they have so much confidence they turn around and go towards a charging force, knowing their brother / partner has their back the entire time instead of being left to die is crazy and exactly the reason we, at times, see the smaller coalitions being able to hold on, or even win these encounters. Mo had the same reaction, in that final confrontation with the Mejanes. When they came in, he paused, expecting his brother to stay too, but his brother fled, instead, and ended up being killed by them that day, Such a shame, too, because I believe Mo could have been a great male lion. (Yesterday, 03:30 PM)Bruh what Wrote: Hi,so how are the dynamics looking like. Ik they're in competition but how's the Ndhzenga vs Pcm looking like? Welcome to WildFact, @Bruh what, as we do with all new members, I'd like to ask that you peruse our rules section, which I will link at the bottom of this post, along with the link to our tutorial section, which outlines how to accomplish most of the things people tend to do with their posts, in case you have any questions. She you have further questions, never hesitate to PM myself, or any of our other Mods, and I am sure we can provide the help you need. We look forward to your contributions, and hope you enjoy your time on WildFact! https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-forum-rules https://wildfact.com/forum/forum-tips-gu...al-problem 
Huh, so contrary to what I thought, PCM got the last say.
Anyway I wouldn't say PCM control half of Londolozi. Londolozi's own map shows Ndhzengas controlling most of it with PCM controlling a bit of the western part, leaving the central areas being sort of empty. Pretty fascinating to see how these clashes play out, Ndhzengas seemed to have a clear advantage with PCM retreating without even trying, until, like how the guide says, it seemed like they had a chat and agreed to charge back. Incredible how the bond and teamplay plays the major roles in these clashes. I'm just a little bit worried that the Ndhzengas got split and almost caught, I wouldn't expect it to happen, it's very dangerous when it happens, ideally if they were going go retreat, they'd have to do it side by side like PCM were doing, so they'd always have the option to help each other out. Still, it seems both coalitions are very close in strength and I don't think PCM will oust them even if they wanted to ( and they don't, it was just a chance encounter/border clash ). It also doesn't seem to have affected the Ndhzenga's confidence. If PCM were deeper in Ndhzenga territory, in a more challenging way like past time, Ndhzengas would probably have put more effort, like they did last time where PCM were dominating most of the chasing until the Ndhzengas finally drove them out. (Yesterday, 02:33 PM)sunless Wrote: Video from Londolozi where we can clearly see and know what clearly happened between the chase of Ndzhengas and PCM, also Tsalala lioness feeding on a kudu. PCMs, appear to be in need of a meal, or two. |
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