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04-06-2024, 03:56 AM( This post was last modified: 04-06-2024, 03:57 AM by Cath2020 )
(04-05-2024, 04:09 AM)GhostCatP-22 Wrote:
(04-05-2024, 12:57 AM)criollo2mil Wrote: The Ross Males w their Pride
How many are their daughters vs unrelated lionesses and are the Ross males going to be having a 3rd round of cubs?
Very happy both Birmingham groups and their pride males are doing so well!
Since the Guernsey Male had mated for over a week with some B'ham Breakaway Lionesses, I wonder if any of them will conceive his offspring? Or if there'd be any cubs from him, sadly enough. I read that he might have impregnated some of them, but that depends on the timeline. Say, the GM was killed about 3/20, so if any cubs are born end of June to about mid-July, then those cubs are probably Guernsey's. They were very responsive to Guernsey's advances, readily mating with him. I'm not sure exactly how many lionesses did though.
Notice he is not even bothering to contact call for his partner, as he knows very well what went down. He was right to flee and now is keeping away to get more mature. Poor boy will have to start from scratch again, bonding with another lion, hopefully, just like what Guernsey had to do after the Monwana Male was killed. I pray he is successful, unlike the other two.
It was a week that saw some good lion viewing returning to most parts of the concession; the River Pride and the Vuyela males returned to the areas around camp, and it was quite something to wake up in the early morning and hear male lions roaring in three different directions around camp. There were six days of guaranteed lion viewing as one Vuyela male spent almost a week around a large male wildebeest that he caught to the north of camp, and without any vultures arriving until day 5, it drew no attention from his coalition partners, despite his nightly roars from the same place. He was satiated, and the only effort he ever put into being a lion was running away from the elephants when they came past and chased him off a couple of times. The other males spent time between the Sark Breakaways and the River Pride, and we had a very interesting sighting after that rain bucketed down on us when we tracked down the pride and found them drying themselves off next to the road. They had been joined by three males, but one of them was not welcome; each time he approached the youngest female (coming into estrus again), she would growl, but then the mother of the three cubs got involved. She charged out at the male, swatting at him – hearing this, the other Vuyela male jumped up and came running in to see what the commotion was about, but upon seeing that it was just his brother, he backed down; they all roared and then went back to sleep. Exactly why the lionesses were not happy with his presence is uncertain. The next day, when three males were found near the wildebeest kill, one of them was sporting very fresh bite marks and claw marks on the face; I am not sure if that was from a continuation of the earlier altercation, or rather from a fight over the estrus female. The third lioness does look to be pregnant again, so we hope that she has better luck with the cubs this time. The pride were seen feeding on another wildebeest this week too, and there was evidence that they snacked on a zebra one evening as well.
It was a week that saw some good lion viewing returning to most parts of the concession; the River Pride and the Vuyela males returned to the areas around camp, and it was quite something to wake up in the early morning and hear male lions roaring in three different directions around camp. There were six days of guaranteed lion viewing as one Vuyela male spent almost a week around a large male wildebeest that he caught to the north of camp, and without any vultures arriving until day 5, it drew no attention from his coalition partners, despite his nightly roars from the same place. He was satiated, and the only effort he ever put into being a lion was running away from the elephants when they came past and chased him off a couple of times. The other males spent time between the Sark Breakaways and the River Pride, and we had a very interesting sighting after that rain bucketed down on us when we tracked down the pride and found them drying themselves off next to the road. They had been joined by three males, but one of them was not welcome; each time he approached the youngest female (coming into estrus again), she would growl, but then the mother of the three cubs got involved. She charged out at the male, swatting at him – hearing this, the other Vuyela male jumped up and came running in to see what the commotion was about, but upon seeing that it was just his brother, he backed down; they all roared and then went back to sleep. Exactly why the lionesses were not happy with his presence is uncertain. The next day, when three males were found near the wildebeest kill, one of them was sporting very fresh bite marks and claw marks on the face; I am not sure if that was from a continuation of the earlier altercation, or rather from a fight over the estrus female. The third lioness does look to be pregnant again, so we hope that she has better luck with the cubs this time. The pride were seen feeding on another wildebeest this week too, and there was evidence that they snacked on a zebra one evening as well.
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Must be some real tensions around the dinner table lately, that or scuffles over mating rights, as a few males with cuts right under their eyes all around the same time. It is spring time, perhaps we'll be seeing lots of new cubbies in the not too distant future.
It was a week that saw some good lion viewing returning to most parts of the concession; the River Pride and the Vuyela males returned to the areas around camp, and it was quite something to wake up in the early morning and hear male lions roaring in three different directions around camp. There were six days of guaranteed lion viewing as one Vuyela male spent almost a week around a large male wildebeest that he caught to the north of camp, and without any vultures arriving until day 5, it drew no attention from his coalition partners, despite his nightly roars from the same place. He was satiated, and the only effort he ever put into being a lion was running away from the elephants when they came past and chased him off a couple of times. The other males spent time between the Sark Breakaways and the River Pride, and we had a very interesting sighting after that rain bucketed down on us when we tracked down the pride and found them drying themselves off next to the road. They had been joined by three males, but one of them was not welcome; each time he approached the youngest female (coming into estrus again), she would growl, but then the mother of the three cubs got involved. She charged out at the male, swatting at him – hearing this, the other Vuyela male jumped up and came running in to see what the commotion was about, but upon seeing that it was just his brother, he backed down; they all roared and then went back to sleep. Exactly why the lionesses were not happy with his presence is uncertain. The next day, when three males were found near the wildebeest kill, one of them was sporting very fresh bite marks and claw marks on the face; I am not sure if that was from a continuation of the earlier altercation, or rather from a fight over the estrus female. The third lioness does look to be pregnant again, so we hope that she has better luck with the cubs this time. The pride were seen feeding on another wildebeest this week too, and there was evidence that they snacked on a zebra one evening as well.
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Must be some real tensions around the dinner table lately, that or scuffles over mating rights, as a few males with cuts right under their eyes all around the same time. It is spring time, perhaps we'll be seeing lots of new cubbies in the not too distant future.
Could be a combination of all of those things. We are now in Autumn here in South Africa and so the dry season isn't too far away. Still holding thumbs for more cubbies though.
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It was a week that saw some good lion viewing returning to most parts of the concession; the River Pride and the Vuyela males returned to the areas around camp, and it was quite something to wake up in the early morning and hear male lions roaring in three different directions around camp. There were six days of guaranteed lion viewing as one Vuyela male spent almost a week around a large male wildebeest that he caught to the north of camp, and without any vultures arriving until day 5, it drew no attention from his coalition partners, despite his nightly roars from the same place. He was satiated, and the only effort he ever put into being a lion was running away from the elephants when they came past and chased him off a couple of times. The other males spent time between the Sark Breakaways and the River Pride, and we had a very interesting sighting after that rain bucketed down on us when we tracked down the pride and found them drying themselves off next to the road. They had been joined by three males, but one of them was not welcome; each time he approached the youngest female (coming into estrus again), she would growl, but then the mother of the three cubs got involved. She charged out at the male, swatting at him – hearing this, the other Vuyela male jumped up and came running in to see what the commotion was about, but upon seeing that it was just his brother, he backed down; they all roared and then went back to sleep. Exactly why the lionesses were not happy with his presence is uncertain. The next day, when three males were found near the wildebeest kill, one of them was sporting very fresh bite marks and claw marks on the face; I am not sure if that was from a continuation of the earlier altercation, or rather from a fight over the estrus female. The third lioness does look to be pregnant again, so we hope that she has better luck with the cubs this time. The pride were seen feeding on another wildebeest this week too, and there was evidence that they snacked on a zebra one evening as well.
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Must be some real tensions around the dinner table lately, that or scuffles over mating rights, as a few males with cuts right under their eyes all around the same time. It is spring time, perhaps we'll be seeing lots of new cubbies in the not too distant future.
Could be a combination of all of those things. We are now in Autumn here in South Africa and so the dry season isn't too far away. Still holding thumbs for more cubbies though.
Ah, yes, opposite seasons and all. Who doesn't enjoy new cubbies. I know lions don't really have an estrus season like many other animals do, it is pretty much year round for them. Here, Whitetail Deer for instance, have their rut during the fall, and it is usually one area wide event, but I have seen two ruts in a single year, but for many others including birds and small animals, spring time seems to be the predominant mating period. In the late winter, early spring, the Whitetail bucks start shedding. Is spring time the typical time there for most animals, as well?
It was a week that saw some good lion viewing returning to most parts of the concession; the River Pride and the Vuyela males returned to the areas around camp, and it was quite something to wake up in the early morning and hear male lions roaring in three different directions around camp. There were six days of guaranteed lion viewing as one Vuyela male spent almost a week around a large male wildebeest that he caught to the north of camp, and without any vultures arriving until day 5, it drew no attention from his coalition partners, despite his nightly roars from the same place. He was satiated, and the only effort he ever put into being a lion was running away from the elephants when they came past and chased him off a couple of times. The other males spent time between the Sark Breakaways and the River Pride, and we had a very interesting sighting after that rain bucketed down on us when we tracked down the pride and found them drying themselves off next to the road. They had been joined by three males, but one of them was not welcome; each time he approached the youngest female (coming into estrus again), she would growl, but then the mother of the three cubs got involved. She charged out at the male, swatting at him – hearing this, the other Vuyela male jumped up and came running in to see what the commotion was about, but upon seeing that it was just his brother, he backed down; they all roared and then went back to sleep. Exactly why the lionesses were not happy with his presence is uncertain. The next day, when three males were found near the wildebeest kill, one of them was sporting very fresh bite marks and claw marks on the face; I am not sure if that was from a continuation of the earlier altercation, or rather from a fight over the estrus female. The third lioness does look to be pregnant again, so we hope that she has better luck with the cubs this time. The pride were seen feeding on another wildebeest this week too, and there was evidence that they snacked on a zebra one evening as well.
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Must be some real tensions around the dinner table lately, that or scuffles over mating rights, as a few males with cuts right under their eyes all around the same time. It is spring time, perhaps we'll be seeing lots of new cubbies in the not too distant future.
Could be a combination of all of those things. We are now in Autumn here in South Africa and so the dry season isn't too far away. Still holding thumbs for more cubbies though.
Ah, yes, opposite seasons and all. Who doesn't enjoy new cubbies. I know lions don't really have an estrus season like many other animals do, it is pretty much year round for them. Here, Whitetail Deer for instance, have their rut during the fall, and it is usually one area wide event, but I have seen two ruts in a single year, but for many others including birds and small animals, spring time seems to be the predominant mating period. In the late winter, early spring, the Whitetail bucks start shedding. Is spring time the typical time there for most animals, as well?
That must have been amazing to have witnessed those ruts in person. It's always wonderful watching nature in action. If I understood your question correctly, spring time (and early summer) is the typical birthing time for most animals this side as well.
It was a week that saw some good lion viewing returning to most parts of the concession; the River Pride and the Vuyela males returned to the areas around camp, and it was quite something to wake up in the early morning and hear male lions roaring in three different directions around camp. There were six days of guaranteed lion viewing as one Vuyela male spent almost a week around a large male wildebeest that he caught to the north of camp, and without any vultures arriving until day 5, it drew no attention from his coalition partners, despite his nightly roars from the same place. He was satiated, and the only effort he ever put into being a lion was running away from the elephants when they came past and chased him off a couple of times. The other males spent time between the Sark Breakaways and the River Pride, and we had a very interesting sighting after that rain bucketed down on us when we tracked down the pride and found them drying themselves off next to the road. They had been joined by three males, but one of them was not welcome; each time he approached the youngest female (coming into estrus again), she would growl, but then the mother of the three cubs got involved. She charged out at the male, swatting at him – hearing this, the other Vuyela male jumped up and came running in to see what the commotion was about, but upon seeing that it was just his brother, he backed down; they all roared and then went back to sleep. Exactly why the lionesses were not happy with his presence is uncertain. The next day, when three males were found near the wildebeest kill, one of them was sporting very fresh bite marks and claw marks on the face; I am not sure if that was from a continuation of the earlier altercation, or rather from a fight over the estrus female. The third lioness does look to be pregnant again, so we hope that she has better luck with the cubs this time. The pride were seen feeding on another wildebeest this week too, and there was evidence that they snacked on a zebra one evening as well.
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Must be some real tensions around the dinner table lately, that or scuffles over mating rights, as a few males with cuts right under their eyes all around the same time. It is spring time, perhaps we'll be seeing lots of new cubbies in the not too distant future.
Could be a combination of all of those things. We are now in Autumn here in South Africa and so the dry season isn't too far away. Still holding thumbs for more cubbies though.
Ah, yes, opposite seasons and all. Who doesn't enjoy new cubbies. I know lions don't really have an estrus season like many other animals do, it is pretty much year round for them. Here, Whitetail Deer for instance, have their rut during the fall, and it is usually one area wide event, but I have seen two ruts in a single year, but for many others including birds and small animals, spring time seems to be the predominant mating period. In the late winter, early spring, the Whitetail bucks start shedding. Is spring time the typical time there for most animals, as well?
That must have been amazing to have witnessed those ruts in person. It's always wonderful watching nature in action. If I understood your question correctly, spring time (and early summer) is the typical birthing time for most animals this side as well.
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It was indeed. Yes, my friend, you answered my poorly worded question, perfectly. Thank you!
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Detailed report of the clash between Guernsey & Avoca with Mbiri males by Ngala's head guide:
Tyron Horne, head guide at AndBeyond Ngala Private Game Reserve, had front-row seats to this raw moment of nature with his guests. Tyron shared the intense and heartbreaking footage with LatestSightings.com.
“I had been out on a drive with my guest all morning when a call came in on the radio that the male lions that once ruled this area were back. This was exciting because they had been pushed out by 2 other male lions. Their return meant they were ready to reclaim what was originally theirs.”
The 2 males had come into the area because of a buffalo that had died, so for them it was a free meal. When they arrived, they ate their fill and began exploring what was once theirs. That’s when they crossed paths with the males that were now in charge. Being bigger and in their prime, the two brothers went into attack mode and chased the two resident males!
“When I arrived on the scene, there were only 3 male lions; the one male had already been chased off by the attackers. What greeted us was truly shocking and left not only me but all of my guests silent for a few minutes. It was gruesome, to say the least; the two attacking males were covered in blood, which gave them a fierce look. The other male was on his back with blood covering his entire back and legs.”
“The males were biting at the soft underbelly; they had this look in their eyes that you could see from months of anger being built up. Because they had been pushed out for so long, when they finally were able to take revenge, they were not holding back. The bigger of the brothers managed to bite down between the intruder's back legs and ripped so hard that his intestines came flying out!”
“Despite being covered in blood and his insides hanging out of him, he was still alive! Raising his head and trying to put up a fight, he snapped his jaws. However, it was not of any help; he was too far gone. He fell back down, and the brothers went back at it, growling and biting until they were certain that he would not move again.”
Male lions in the wild live for territory and mating rights. This means fights like this to the death are part of their lives and something that all males are prepared for, some more than others. We may find it extremely harsh and hard to witness, but moments like these give us insight into the hard lives that these animals live just to survive.
“Once he stopped moving, the brothers did the unthinkable; they began eating his dead body. This is not something that lions would commonly do, but they were clearly in a rage, and there was no stopping them. They dragged his lifeless body around and, for the next two days, stuck with it while continuously eating from it. It was as if they were sending a message to any other males that were thinking of coming into their territory.”
