(11-26-2023, 02:21 PM)Styx38 Wrote:

(11-25-2023, 06:30 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Hmm actually now that I watch the video ( of Lopez being weighed ) without paying attention to the subtitles, I'm confident the guy says "he's fat, but not overly gorged".

Instead of what the subtitles claims "he's flat, but not overly gorged", which doesn't make anywhere near as much sense, in fact it seems he even says he is fat because he ate.

Hi, I've also seen the video myself and the subtitles almost do not correspond at all to what is being said, one might think of a language issue but that is not the case. The author of the video, which is called "Graceful leopard" is a famous troll coming from a site we all despise that pretends to be a leopard enthusiast but does a heavy propaganda against them. As it happens, he's obsessed with them being "delicate" and "graceful", obsessed with the fact that every big male is heavy just because he's gorged. Coincidences? But the discussion stops here. Like @peter said, this is WildFact and we don't consider any other heated debates in other forums.

Just wanted to point to everyone here to not take seriously that lying troll also named "Camp Pan" and "Lilith".
He's very misinformed regarding biology as a whole and has a database of his own.

That said, the original video claims Lopez to be "fat but not overly gorged", unlike what the propagandist tried to frane, meaning that even if he had a bit of stomach content it wouldn't matter much regarding the weight taken, could barely take off a few kilos but nothing special. This somehow reminds me of the Terai tiger that was allegedly weighed at 288 kilos but was claim to be "empty or at least very close to" .

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(02-08-2024, 10:04 PM)Pckts Wrote: Generally a big cat will put on an additional 15% of body mass between the ages of 3.5-8  so that estimate of 140kgs for Jafar at his prime is valid. Most likely the weight obtained comes from a cat who was baited so a weight of around 120kg empty at his max puts him in the very large Jag category.

(01-19-2024, 12:52 AM)Dragonman Wrote: Hello, I am new here but I have a few questions regarding Jaguar weights on your well constructed table. There are a few weights there that may be inaccurate that I want to address. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

The Lopez Weight by Hoogelstein is the largest weight of Jaguars so far in the 1990s. In the original message sent by Hoogelstein he said In the original Spanish text – “no hay forma de saber si tenia el estomago vacio o lleno, o cuan vacio/lleno” which translates to “there is no way to know if the stomach was empty or full, or how empty/full” 

couldn't this mean that the jaguar had some food in him but wasn't empty? wouldn't this mean he definitely ate some food before his capture? Therefore meaning that 148kg is not a reliable figure for the weight of Lopez and not an actual figure that should be added to the table.

Dr Guy Balme, the capture specialist, standing right next to this jaguar just as he had been weighed, states “he’s fat because he’s eaten but he’s not overly gorged, he’s not excessively gorged”.

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The YouTube translation is there, so I don't understand why he is being claimed to be flat, and not fat. If you have anything to disprove this I would be open to seeing this, but if he was verbatim stated to be fat, then why in this forum is he claimed to be "flat"?


Also, @Pckts, you stated it yourself that Robusto was full, and thus, his 137kg weight should not be accounted for

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Also, another individual (whose name I will not mention) got confirmation from Edu himself about both of these weights being jaguars that were full and thus, unreliable

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So there is a verbatim statement that Shaka was in fact full from Edu himself who was there at his capture. I will not address his claim for robusto as he was not there during capture, so I don't care for it. Moving On:


Now as for Matheus, he was not confirmed to be in poor health but rather joyfully reported to have been 118kg and 121kg in his 3rd and second capture. Now I also recall there being a fire around the time of his second or 3rd capture that limited food resources.

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So right now I'm wondering, considering that Mattheus was so young when captured, and that 134kg is an outlier compared to his more recent 121 and 118kg, wouldn't it be deduced that it was stomach content that made him up to 134kg? Because at the points he was captured he was still 5 years old with a lot of Growing to do, so him being old or lame wouldn't be an excuse. Personally I believe that the decrease in food resources at the time was what made him lose weight, but I would rather be comfortable with hard evidence against my case. As a reminder, these are questions, not debunks.

As for Joker, he was only stated to be more than 140kg, not significantly higher, so I don't know where the 159kg figure comes from, considering that his chest measurements are pretty normal for an average 140kg Jaguar (not to be confused with 'average' jaguar).

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Joker’s chest girth (X) = 128cm
Estimated weight (Y) = – 63.9 + 1.59(1

28cm) = 139.6kg

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