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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - AndresVida - 07-14-2022
New male from South Pantanal, average sized
Name : Dori
Age : 6 years
Weight : 110 kgs
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Credits to Balam's subreddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jaguarland/comments/vyw7v6/a_few_months_ago_the_organizations_reprocon_in/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - MarceJag - 09-03-2022
This huge male jaguar, said to have been around 150 kilograms, was hunted near Esquina, Corrientes, Argentina, in 2006.
RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Pckts - 11-03-2022
4 and 8 year old Male jaguars captured.
100kg and 118kg each
oncasrionegro
100kg e 118kg
RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Pckts - 01-23-2023
@Balam reached out to me and gave me Jokers full measurements from his first and 2nd captures, 2nd is shown but both are mentioned in the video so full credit to her.
"Oncafari biologist Bruno Sartori Reis gave an answer on IG where he gave the total length for Joker on his second capture as well as his head girth measurement, the video is"
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Here is the video of him discussing everything
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jaguarland/comments/x5l65u/on%C3%A7afari_biologist_bruno_sartori_reis_was_asked/
Joker is most likely the largest Jaguar measured and verified Jaguar on record, he is without a doubt a Lioness/Tigress sized Jaguar.
Balam also has an updated list of all verified Jaguars and locations
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-K1IffPe7meDPhh2RUWSIzfTucVPjKWv4f63qGzD8SM/edit#gid=0
and one more Jaguar to add to the list
This is Mango
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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - AndresVida - 02-05-2023
(01-23-2023, 11:57 PM)Pckts Wrote: reached out to me and gave me Jokers full measurements from his first and 2nd captures, 2nd is shown but both are mentioned in the video so full credit to her.@Pckts great post, I think it's excellent that we have finally all the body measurements regarding Joker which is without a doubt the largest recorded jaguar in modern times, it's a shame that we don't really know it's true weight apart from the fact it exceeded the 140 kg scale.
"Oncafari biologist Bruno Sartori Reis gave an answer on IG where he gave the total length for Joker on his second capture as well as his head girth measurement, the video is"
Since we have its body measurements, wouldn't it be possible to estimate its full body mass with a chest girth equation like it was done to estimate M105's adjusted weight at 261 kilograms?
Tagging @GuateGojira here
RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Pckts - 02-20-2023
Information provided from Oncafari Chief
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His name is kept off per request.
These Jaguars are legitimately Lioness/Tigress sized.
RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - AndresVida - 02-22-2023
(02-20-2023, 10:15 PM)Pckts Wrote: These Jaguars are legitimately Lioness/Tigress sized.Charger recently made for me a weight estimate based on a chest girth equation and he got a range of 170-180 kgs for Joker, now obviously that's just an estimate but still makes us notice how large that male could have truly been.
Easily the largest specimen ever recorded not only in modern records but also in the whole historical list of Pantanal jaguars
RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - LandSeaLion - 02-22-2023
(02-22-2023, 12:26 AM)AndresVida Wrote:(02-20-2023, 10:15 PM)Pckts Wrote: These Jaguars are legitimately Lioness/Tigress sized.Charger recently made for me a weight estimate based on a chest girth equation and he got a range of 170-180 kgs for Joker, now obviously that's just an estimate but still makes us notice how large that male could have truly been.
Easily the largest specimen ever recorded not only in modern records but also in the whole historical list of Pantanal jaguars
Jeez…if that’s an accurate estimate then forget lioness/tigress-sized, that would be more like an average male lion or tiger.
RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Spalea - 02-22-2023
A little bit more and this jaguar will get a sabertoothcat's stature and size. You are nearly there !
I'm joking...
RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - AndresVida - 02-23-2023
Here's it's an appropriate thread
@Pckts doesn't Almeida's 119 kg jaguar have a greater mid section girth than chest girth despite being fully empty bellied? This shows that Shaka could also hold weight on the mid section despite being also empty, and Joker measuring less on that area almost certainly confirms he was pretty empty as well. I recall seeing his picture with him lying on a flank and the flank was shrinking instead of being bloated.
Regarding the "pleistocene Jaguar" discussion also I'm familiar with Balam and I have never seen anywhere that she has claimed Edno to be a 170 kg jaguar tbh.
I think that the whole "pleistocene jaguar" thing was related to the result of the chest-girth equation we got from Charger that shows Joker may have attained a size rivaling or slightly surpass the average size of Mesembrina
RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - LandSeaLion - 02-24-2023
(02-22-2023, 02:24 PM)Spalea Wrote: A little bit more and this jaguar will get a sabertoothcat's stature and size. You are nearly there !
I'm joking...
(02-23-2023, 08:36 PM)AndresVida Wrote: Here's it's an appropriate thread
@Pckts doesn't Almeida's 119 kg jaguar have a greater mid section girth than chest girth despite being fully empty bellied? This shows that Shaka could also hold weight on the mid section despite being also empty, and Joker measuring less on that area almost certainly confirms he was pretty empty as well. I recall seeing his picture with him lying on a flank and the flank was shrinking instead of being bloated.
Regarding the "pleistocene Jaguar" discussion also I'm familiar with Balam and I have never seen anywhere that she has claimed Edno to be a 170 kg jaguar tbh.
I think that the whole "pleistocene jaguar" thing was related to the result of the chest-girth equation we got from Charger that shows Joker may have attained a size rivaling or slightly surpass the average size of Mesembrina
Yeah the chest-weight regression equations are a useful approximation, but not tightly correlated enough to be a be-all-and-end-all, owing to individual variations in body proportions. It is more likely that this jaguar was 150kg or less (still enormous) with a relatively massive chest.
RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Pckts - 02-25-2023
(02-23-2023, 08:36 PM)AndresVida Wrote: Here's it's an appropriate thread
@Pckts doesn't Almeida's 119 kg jaguar have a greater mid section girth than chest girth despite being fully empty bellied? This shows that Shaka could also hold weight on the mid section despite being also empty, and Joker measuring less on that area almost certainly confirms he was pretty empty as well. I recall seeing his picture with him lying on a flank and the flank was shrinking instead of being bloated.
Regarding the "pleistocene Jaguar" discussion also I'm familiar with Balam and I have never seen anywhere that she has claimed Edno to be a 170 kg jaguar tbh.
I think that the whole "pleistocene jaguar" thing was related to the result of the chest-girth equation we got from Charger that shows Joker may have attained a size rivaling or slightly surpass the average size of Mesembrina
Generally speaking Almeida states belly girth depends a lot upon how much, if anything the cat had eaten recently.
The largest Belly girth Almeida measured came from completely empty male which measured 47'' (119cm)
This male's chest girth was 43''
This means that generally the belly girth should outsize the chest girth more often than not regardless if the Jaguar is empty or not so using the excuse that the Jaguar should be considered full just because it's belly girth outsizes it's chest isn't correct. Like most state, it's very difficult to determine how much a cat has in it's stomach outsize of the obvious bloating or 1st hand knowledge of carcass consumption.
I assume that the person making the baseless claims about what Balam said is wrong per usual, I'm not surprised by that.
With regards to the Chest/Weight equation-
Unfortunately you need all the measurements to determine a real weight that has the best possibility of being accurate. There's no magic bullet, you can find correlations between them all but none paint a true picture until you have the necessary measurements. (Height, Length, girth and protocols used)