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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Balam - 09-22-2020

I have updated the chart, so the sample is 59, and the new average 111.85, which is a significant drop but was to be expected as many of the new records involve smaller males. But this also comes to prove my point regarding averages, they are never set in stone and it's almost impossible to have a specific value remain constant for a specific population as it will all be dependant on the sample that you include. If huge males like Joker, Edno, or Balam were added, the average would go back up again, but what's really important about these kinds of tables is to collect as much data as possible to get a better record of the animals in question.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Dark Jaguar - 09-22-2020

(09-22-2020, 05:39 AM)Balam Wrote: I have updated the chart, so the sample is 59, and the new average 111.85, which is a significant drop but was to be expected as many of the new records involve smaller males. But this also comes to prove my point regarding averages, they are never set in stone and it's almost impossible to have a specific value remain constant for a specific population as it will all be dependant on the sample that you include. If huge males like Joker, Edno, or Balam were added, the average would go back up again, but what's really important about these kinds of tables is to collect as much data as possible to get a better record of the animals in question.

@Balam

Excellent, this addition is really important cause it shows and proves the table doesn't only include hand picked big jaguars like some might assume, if there was any doubt concerning this, that gap is filled with that addition and the drop in the average size is not that much to be honest, after all even with the small males added, the average is still above 100 kg.

And remember, for every small jaguar in the Pantanal basin there are 3 larger ones or more.

My final request to you for now is to add the Furtado sourced jaguars into the South Pantanal area ( The blue area ) since according to Furtado's study they were all captured in Fazenda Barranco Alto and Refúgio Ecológico Caiman - South Pantanal.

Anyways I am gonna show this updated table to Peter Crawshaw.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Dark Jaguar - 09-23-2020

Gage Pantanal male 110 kg.

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Tortato responded my question on our private conversation regarding Gage's size.

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More of 110 kg Gage.

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@Balam

ID = Gage
Weight = 110 kg
Source = Panthera
Area = N. Pantanal
Age = Adult

@Balam

Did you already move the Furtado sourced jaguars into the South area in the table??

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Balam - 09-23-2020

@Dark Jaguar I'll edit it all tonight. So I'm guessing his brother Peter most probably weight at around the same ~110 kg, he looked definitely bigger than that but I'm guessing his probably has a smaller frame that is stocky. Nonetheless great info, he's our jaguar #60.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Dark Jaguar - 09-24-2020

A few females captured and monitored by onçafari.

Gaia 60,6 kg

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Year of birth: May 20, 2013

Captured: 2017 and 2018

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Leen 70 kg ( Gaia's daughter )

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Year of birth: 2016

Captured: 2017 and 2018

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Fera 54,3 kg

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Year of birth: Approximately 2014

Captured: 2016, 2017 and 2019

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54,3 kg Fera and 120 kg Brutus male. ( also monitored by onçafari )

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Isa 60 kg ( Fera's sister )

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Year of birth: Approximately 2014

Captured: in 2016

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60 kg Isa and 122 kg Sombra male. ( also monitored by onçafari )

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60 kg Isa and 122 kg Sombra male.

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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Balam - 09-24-2020

110 kg male from Porto Jofre

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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Dark Jaguar - 09-24-2020

@Balam

Do you know his ID??

I could get Ousado male from PJ weight with Jorge, but he is not in that good conditions.

Jorge also captured a Central Pantanal jaguar in Parque Nacional do Pantanal - Acurizal, but it's also in bad conditions due to the intense fires throghout Pantanal.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Dark Jaguar - 09-24-2020

@Balam

Get his ID, It would be good to have it in order to add more info to the table.

Jorge is most likely busy in the field at moment but when he's free I'll ask him Ousado's size but don't expect him to be massive haha.

Then we'll see whether we'll add him or not.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Balam - 09-24-2020

@Dark Jaguar actually from the first time I saw Ousado I could tell he was a smaller male as he seemed to be the same size as Ãgue female, and based on the pictures of his captures he does seem smaller. In fact I doubt he's over 100 kg. What we could do is get his initial weight when he was captured and in bad condition, and then see if we are provided an updated weight in captivity as well.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Dark Jaguar - 09-25-2020

Ousado male 75 kg and Amanancy female 50 kg.

Both in very bad conditions are being well taken care at NEX Institution.

Ousado male.

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Amanancy female.

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https://www.dm.jor.br/cidades/2020/09/onca-ferida-em-incendio-no-pantanal-e-tratada-em-goias/

One of the jaguars that had leg injuries when fleeing from fires in the Pantanal began to be treated with ozone and laser, in Corumbá de Goiás, 150 km from Goiás.

The objective is to accelerate the recovery of the animal so that it returns to the environment.

The first step was to put the jaguar, a 75 kg male baptized as Ousado to sleep. He used a blowgun with tranquilizer so that the veterinarians could safely take the animal to the place where the treatment would take place.''

Ousado male.

This was the first time the veterinarians used the techniques on a jaguar.

The idea is to apply all possible resources to accelerate the healing on the paws of the animal, which had second degree burns.

"We get, through ozone gas, an anti-inflammatory effect, analgesic and we can eliminate these bacteria, making only the cells that are affected, sick, are degraded and help the good cells work better," said veterinary doctor Nathália Lira.

Ousado male

Amanancy female

Nex Institute

Despite Ousado male which arrived 10 days ago, the Nex Institute group still takes care of a 50 kg female, called Amanancy.

Amanancy female.

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She has been there for about a month, also with injuries caused by burning in the Pantanal.

Amanancy has third degree injuries and is doing a treatment with stem cells. And she has been presenting a good response with the procedure, but the case is still serious.

"Her case is more complicated, because they were third degree burns with bone exposure, tendon, so she should stay another month or two," said veterinarian Thiago Luczinski.

Amanancy female.

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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Balam - 09-25-2020

(09-24-2020, 08:38 PM)Balam Wrote: 110 kg male from Porto Jofre

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The Reprocon team is there at the moment so hopefully they'll capture more jaguars. It'd be a dream if they can capture Edno, Aju, Balam and Pheonix.

Jaguar #61 btw.

Gediendson just confirmed this jaguar to be Aju, so we have his weight!

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So Aju happens to be smaller than Ruxu and not in the same size class as we initially thought.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Dark Jaguar - 09-25-2020

(09-25-2020, 06:25 AM)Balam Wrote:
(09-24-2020, 08:38 PM)Balam Wrote: 110 kg male from Porto Jofre

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The Reprocon team is there at the moment so hopefully they'll capture more jaguars. It'd be a dream if they can capture Edno, Aju, Balam and Pheonix.

Jaguar #61 btw.

Gediendson just confirmed this jaguar to be Aju, so we have his weight!

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So Aju happens to be smaller than Ruxu and not in the same size class as we initially thought.

I expected Aju to be larger than just 110 kg, and at least by that photo he doesn't look in bad conditions ( in terms of size ) like Ousado and many other jaguars rescued, he was probably rescued before the fires started doing major damages to him.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Balam - 09-25-2020

@Dark Jaguar actually his paws were just scarring, so when he was captured he had already gone through the healing process. He was in good condition and shape. I find it very interesting that Tiago a Cerrado jaguar turned out to be larger than Aju and Gage from the Pantanal, goes to show you can't generalize all the animals from one specific population.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Dark Jaguar - 09-25-2020

(09-25-2020, 06:43 AM)Balam Wrote: @Dark Jaguar actually his paws were just scarring, so when he was captured he had already gone through the healing process. He was in good condition and shape. I find it very interesting that Tiago a Cerrado jaguar tiene out to be larger than Aju and Gage from the Pantanal, goes to show you can't generalize all the animals from one specific population.

Its not surprise, thats why I say Cerrado jaguars overlap with Pantanal ones, and it holds true.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Balam - 09-25-2020

@Dark Jaguar looking back at it, the people from the Jaguar ID never mentioned Aju to be particularly large, nor did Ailton or any other tracker. The only jaguars they have emphasized to me to be larger from the area are Edno, Balam, Tusk, and Forasteiro, so I'm only keeping high expectations for those when it comes to the jaguars we have a clear ID on. I'm also starting to think some areas of southern Pantanal are producing larger jaguars.