Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards

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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - AndresVida - 03-20-2021

@Pckts

Thank you! The leopard seems to have a bloated stomach so maybe that huge weight was due to a meal he had. Whatever, still a nice male. The second one doesn't seem to be neither 180 lbs tho.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - AndresVida - 03-22-2021

@Pckts

Sorry for disturbing again… can you please send me this other image I found on carnivora but that I am not allowed to see? It is about the 200 lb leopard claim

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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Pckts - 03-22-2021

(03-22-2021, 02:30 AM)LoveAnimals Wrote: @Pckts

Sorry for disturbing again… can you please send me this other image I found on carnivora but that I am not allowed to see? It is about the 200 lb leopard claim

*This image is copyright of its original author

The 200lb Leopard claim is in regards to the Tanzania Leopard I already posted.
Here's the photo blurred and few other Leopards he's shot

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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - AndresVida - 03-23-2021

Thanks again!

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Balam - 03-29-2021

@Pckts et al, remember how I've been saying for the longest that the supposed 115 kg Persian leopard weight was not valid? Well it turns out that the "random Facebook posts" as some individual tried to dismiss them were right. I contacted Dr. Farhadinia who wrote the paper on the weights on Persian leopard to know why the 115 kg male was discarded from the sample, and he confirmed what I've been saying for the longest, the weight was wrong! There is no such a thing as a 115 kg leopard, it weighed 95 kg:

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This should have been obvious to anyone with basic understanding of how to interpret on research paper, but nonetheless here we are.

Oh and one more thing, the supposed 90 kg male from this paper:

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Was in fact a sub-adult that was completely gorged and by no means would've weighed 90 kg on an empty belly, 60 kg at best. It came from a news report, no different than the jaguar that supposedly weighed 140 kg that was ran over by a car:

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So we can confidently discard those two weights.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Pckts - 03-29-2021

(03-29-2021, 03:31 PM)Balam Wrote: @Pckts et al, remember how I've been saying for the longest that the supposed 115 kg Persian leopard weight was not valid? Well it turns out that the "random Facebook posts" as some individual tried to dismiss them were right. I contacted Dr. Farhadinia who wrote the paper on the weights on Persian leopard to know why the 115 kg male was discarded from the sample, and he confirmed what I've been saying for the longest, the weight was wrong! There is no such a thing as a 115 kg leopard, it weighed 95 kg:

*This image is copyright of its original author

This should have been obvious to anyone with basic understanding of how to interpret on research paper, but nonetheless here we are.

Oh and one more thing, the supposed 90 kg male from this paper:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Was in fact a sub-adult that was completely gorged and by no means would've weighed 90 kg on an empty belly, 60 kg at best. It came from a news report, no different than the jaguar that supposedly weighed 140 kg that was ran over by a car:

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

So we can confidently discard those two weights.

And even the 95kg is doubtful, as there has been no confirmation on that weight either. This sub adult is too small to be 90kgs IMO, gorged or not.

Farhadinia’s study never weighed a single cat, they were just going off of weights that have already been reported but as we’ve seen, even reported weights need to be critiqued if not done so by the capturing team. In comparison to the Jaguar table in which every weight reported is actually from the team involved with the capture.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Luipaard - 03-30-2021

(03-29-2021, 03:31 PM)Balam Wrote: @Pckts et al, remember how I've been saying for the longest that the supposed 115 kg Persian leopard weight was not valid? Well it turns out that the "random Facebook posts" as some individual tried to dismiss them were right. I contacted Dr. Farhadinia who wrote the paper on the weights on Persian leopard to know why the 115 kg male was discarded from the sample, and he confirmed what I've been saying for the longest, the weight was wrong! There is no such a thing as a 115 kg leopard, it weighed 95 kg:

*This image is copyright of its original author

This should have been obvious to anyone with basic understanding of how to interpret on research paper, but nonetheless here we are.

Oh and one more thing, the supposed 90 kg male from this paper:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Was in fact a sub-adult that was completely gorged and by no means would've weighed 90 kg on an empty belly, 60 kg at best. It came from a news report, no different than the jaguar that supposedly weighed 140 kg that was ran over by a car:

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

So we can confidently discard those two weights.

I'd like to see the full conversation rather than just a screenshot + his email. Fact is that Iman Memarian is the wildlife veterinarian who was involved in the capture and speaks of a male around 100kg rather than 95kg. Why would he round it off if he has the supposed exact number?

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https://www.facebook.com/Iman.Memarian/media_set?set=a.3799844411189&type=3
https://www.facebook.com/Iman.Memarian/media_set?set=a.3823002710132&type=3

Second, I am that 'individual' and you know this very well so next time just mention my name like you otherwise always do. This mocking is unnecessary.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Balam - 03-30-2021

(03-30-2021, 12:25 PM)Luipaard Wrote:
(03-29-2021, 03:31 PM)Balam Wrote: @Pckts et al, remember how I've been saying for the longest that the supposed 115 kg Persian leopard weight was not valid? Well it turns out that the "random Facebook posts" as some individual tried to dismiss them were right. I contacted Dr. Farhadinia who wrote the paper on the weights on Persian leopard to know why the 115 kg male was discarded from the sample, and he confirmed what I've been saying for the longest, the weight was wrong! There is no such a thing as a 115 kg leopard, it weighed 95 kg:

*This image is copyright of its original author

This should have been obvious to anyone with basic understanding of how to interpret on research paper, but nonetheless here we are.

Oh and one more thing, the supposed 90 kg male from this paper:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Was in fact a sub-adult that was completely gorged and by no means would've weighed 90 kg on an empty belly, 60 kg at best. It came from a news report, no different than the jaguar that supposedly weighed 140 kg that was ran over by a car:

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

So we can confidently discard those two weights.

I'd like to see the full conversation rather than just a screenshot + his email. Fact is that Iman Memarian is the wildlife veterinarian who was involved in the capture and speaks of a male around 100kg rather than 95kg. Why would he round it off if he has the supposed exact number?

*This image is copyright of its original author

https://www.facebook.com/Iman.Memarian/media_set?set=a.3799844411189&type=3
https://www.facebook.com/Iman.Memarian/media_set?set=a.3823002710132&type=3

Second, I am that 'individual' and you know this very well so next time just mention my name like you otherwise always do. This mocking is unnecessary.

This is embarrassing even for you, you were holding on a thin thread about that leopard weighing supposedly 115 kg because it was mentioned on a paper but only because it was discarded, removed from the sample in that paper. Since your bias clouds your critical thinking here is the writer of that paper telling you directly that weight was incorrect and was dismissed it for that same reason and you keep pushing for it.

Memarian didn't say anything about that leopard weighing 115 kg so that isn't adding to your case, and furthermore, he speaks of a leopard of around 100 kg, i.e close to the benchmark of 100 kg, and what is close to that? 95 kg!

Since the Persian Leopard Project and the writer of the paper confirming this leopard in fact weighed 95 and NOT 115 kg is not enough for you, here is Kaveh Hatami who also works for Persian leopards conservation also confirming that weight:

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Oh and please save the dramatics, considering you're still acting a fool over at Carnivora mentioning me unprovoked because there is where you get brave.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - AndresVida - 04-01-2021

@Balam

To be honest I would have never believed that the subadult leopard weighed 90 kgs, it's just too small and I've seen far larger monsters. If it was a subadult of 60 kgs on empty stomach is still interesting news, means it could weigh more than 80 kgs when fully grown but only estimates.

On the other hand you said that the studies that use weights of leopards of a specifical age is wrong, but how can it be? I thought that with the term average we mean the weight of a normal ADULT male leopard, excluding subadults and younger ones. So if we take in consideration only fully grown leopards is it true that leopards have an average of 67-70 kgs and not only 58 kg?

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Balam - 04-02-2021

@"loveanimals"

I think you're referring the chart with leopard weights divided by age class from Kwazulu-Natal. The average weight of 72 kg belongs only to leopards in their prime age rather than the full adulthood spectrum, it does give an idea of what the average size for a leopard in that area would likely be depending on their age, but it's not an accurate determinant of the average weight of adult leopards as a whole because it excludes other age classes within the realm of adulthood.

This is important to point out because people will take the 72 kg average for males of ~8 years of age to compare to population averages for other species (i.e. cougars), which is completely deceptive because the averages gathered for other species always include adults from across different ages after they reach sexual maturity; this includes animals as young as 2.5/3 years of age, to really old and battered ones of 13+ years of age. Removing the young and older adults from the sample for one species gives an inaccurate, flattering look for it against the other one.

Leopards from places like Sri Lanka do weight around 57 kg on average per scientific data (Sunquist), whether the prime males would weight slightly more if we separated a sample of them exclusively from the rest is irrelevant to the overall average for adult males in that population.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Styx38 - 04-02-2021

Two female Leopards weighed over 40 kg.

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source: Jooste, Esmarie, Ross T. Pitman, Wouter Van Hoven, and Lourens Hendrik Swanepoel. "Unusually high predation on chacma baboons (Papio ursinus) by female leopards (Panthera pardus) in the Waterberg Mountains, South Africa." Folia Primatologica 83, no. 3-6 (2012): 353-360.

Nearly 50 kg female Leopard that predated on Antelopes.

"In September 1991 Joe DeBeer, a game manager on the John Nash Nature Reserve, showed one of the authors(LRB) WU/BA-001, a small, partially mined cave within the boundaries of the reserve that had been usedby a leopard (Panthera pardus) as a living and feeding lair for nearly a year. The leopard, a large female weighing nearly 50 kg, had regrettably been culled some time earlier due to her prolific feeding habits andsubsequent impact on the local antelope population."

source: de Ruiter, Darryl J., and Lee R. Berger. "Leopards as taphonomic agents in dolomitic caves—implications for bone accumulations in the hominid-bearing deposits of South Africa." Journal of Archaeological Science 27, no. 8 (2000): 665-684.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - AndresVida - 04-04-2021

@Pckts

Do you remember the site of the possibile new leopard record of 108 kg in Namibia? Reading all the comments i found one saying this

My observations just from the pictures....I was not there but I have hunted more than my fair share of leopards....two of which went over 200 lbs, one of 220 lbs(100 kg) and another 216 lbs(97 kg), both super cats....

I mean..... Is it possible to get some informations or images of those alleged leopards that guy got? Maybe by contacting him? Or is it better to not trusting him?

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Pckts - 04-04-2021

(04-04-2021, 10:01 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote: @Pckts

Do you remember the site of the possibile new leopard record of 108 kg in Namibia? Reading all the comments i found one saying this

My observations just from the pictures....I was not there but I have hunted more than my fair share of leopards....two of which went over 200 lbs, one of 220 lbs(100 kg) and another 216 lbs(97 kg), both super cats....

I mean..... Is it possible to get some informations or images of those alleged leopards that guy got? Maybe by contacting him? Or is it better to not trusting him?

Unfortunately trophy hunters like to claim big weights but when verifiable weights are used seldom do they reach the sizes claimed. But it can’t hurt to ask questions if you’re curious. Skull size and body measurements generally are good questions but make sure protocols are also obtained as they can skew numbers.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - AndresVida - 04-04-2021

@Pckts

I am totally aware of their exaggerations, but since I believe that a max sized leopard can touch 100 kgs I really want to ask him.
But here it comes the problem. I did subscribe to the site Africa Hunting but all it says to me is this

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I am not able to reply because i have insufficient privilegies.

What a joke…. To get privilegies I have to kill a magnificent spotted cat to be able to reply there?
Ew humans.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Pckts - 04-04-2021

(04-04-2021, 10:29 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote: @Pckts

I am totally aware of their exaggerations, but since I believe that a max sized leopard can touch 100 kgs I really want to ask him.
But here it comes the problem. I did subscribe to the site Africa Hunting but all it says to me is this

*This image is copyright of its original author

I am not able to reply because i have insufficient privilegies.

What a joke…. To get privilegies I have to kill a magnificent spotted cat to be able to reply there?
Ew humans.

It’s the same with SCI, I can see the largest registered measurements but cannot go in depth *zygomatic arch, tl or images of the cat* without actually registering a hunt first hand.