(10-09-2022, 09:22 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(10-09-2022, 09:13 PM)LonePredator Wrote:

(10-09-2022, 09:08 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(10-09-2022, 07:49 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(10-09-2022, 06:43 PM)GreenForest Wrote: The T24's picture posted by @LonePredator  was from his last capture. The one posted by @Pckts was from one of his previous capture. Just FYI.

As for Wagdoh, "For the last 15 days, the old tiger was found moving sluggishly and had virtually given up on life." (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/91751857.cms) Most likely wagdoh didn't eat much in last few days of his death. If at all we have to subtract food content, then it will be 10-15kg. Nothing more. 255-260kg empty weight will put wagdoh as heaviest old aged wild bigcat in scientific records.

Time stamps from the captures showing different dates?
Or source?

Both have the same stretcher.



Wagdoh became a cattle killer after being dispatched for a few years before death and most likely was killing them prior as well.
He also was said to have killed a person recently before
His death.

*This image is copyright of its original author

Great info Pckts, really makes you wonder about cattle killers. Just like the Kenyan 272 kg male lion that had a smaller frame, Wagdoh could have a lot of fat on him. Which makes way more sense when you look at Wagdoh’s measurments imo. 

Knock said the lion appared fit like a wild lion, nothing like a zoo animal, but later it was said the lion was full of fat… Wagdoh also looked fine, but probably had decent amount of fat.

208cm HBL in straight line is very large. It’s not small by any means.

Do we know if it was taken in a straight line? If he was bloated and it was taken over the curves it could have been highly exaggerated. 

Yes his HB length is fine, but I’m still puzzled by the weight looking at his height and chest measurments.

(10-09-2022, 09:39 PM)LonePredator Wrote:

(10-09-2022, 09:22 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(10-09-2022, 09:13 PM)LonePredator Wrote:

(10-09-2022, 09:08 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(10-09-2022, 07:49 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(10-09-2022, 06:43 PM)GreenForest Wrote: The T24's picture posted by @LonePredator  was from his last capture. The one posted by @Pckts was from one of his previous capture. Just FYI.

As for Wagdoh, "For the last 15 days, the old tiger was found moving sluggishly and had virtually given up on life." (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/91751857.cms) Most likely wagdoh didn't eat much in last few days of his death. If at all we have to subtract food content, then it will be 10-15kg. Nothing more. 255-260kg empty weight will put wagdoh as heaviest old aged wild bigcat in scientific records.

Time stamps from the captures showing different dates?
Or source?

Both have the same stretcher.



Wagdoh became a cattle killer after being dispatched for a few years before death and most likely was killing them prior as well.
He also was said to have killed a person recently before
His death.

*This image is copyright of its original author

Great info Pckts, really makes you wonder about cattle killers. Just like the Kenyan 272 kg male lion that had a smaller frame, Wagdoh could have a lot of fat on him. Which makes way more sense when you look at Wagdoh’s measurments imo. 

Knock said the lion appared fit like a wild lion, nothing like a zoo animal, but later it was said the lion was full of fat… Wagdoh also looked fine, but probably had decent amount of fat.

208cm HBL in straight line is very large. It’s not small by any means.

Do we know if it was taken in a straight line? If he was bloated and it was taken over the curves it could have been highly exaggerated. 

Yes his HB length is fine, but I’m still puzzled by the weight looking at his height and chest measurments.

Because 208cm in straight line matches very well with his weight. And like I have already said ten times before in this discussion, chest girth does not correlate with weight as well as bodylength does and shoulder height barely causes any difference.

Tigerluver presented a regression which also suggested that chest girth has low correlation with weight compared to bodylength.

Bodylength is the primary factor for high weight. Chest girth is secondary and shoulder height is insignificant.

(10-09-2022, 09:35 PM)Khan85 Wrote: Wanted to address some points. 

1. The vet who performed the PM (and wished to not be named or asked more questions) confirmed that he weighed waghdoh's carcass on a scale and that some kgs of undigested food was recovered from the stomach. We asked him if he was weighed on a scale to which his response was "yes". I cannot give more information that this here, although I may be willing to, for some people in dms.

2. The post mortem report said he was fat. That is almost always the case when comparing young/prime animals to old animals. Older animals loose muscle mass and proportionally have more fat. Waghdoh was an exception as in he stayed the same for most of his life but that doesn't mean that effects of old age wouldn't creep up on him. 

3. The dead body of the man was found on 21 May. It is unknown how old it was. Waghdoh's dead body was found on 23 May. The innards were already under active decay (which leads to reduction in mass) by the time they found him. So it is totally possible that waghdoh died before the man was killed in a tiger attack.

(10-09-2022, 09:35 PM)Khan85 Wrote: Wanted to address some points. 

1. The vet who performed the PM (and wished to not be named or asked more questions) confirmed that he weighed waghdoh's carcass on a scale and that some kgs of undigested food was recovered from the stomach. We asked him if he was weighed on a scale to which his response was "yes". I cannot give more information that this here, although I may be willing to, for some people in dms.

2. The post mortem report said he was fat. That is almost always the case when comparing young/prime animals to old animals. Older animals loose muscle mass and proportionally have more fat. Waghdoh was an exception as in he stayed the same for most of his life but that doesn't mean that effects of old age wouldn't creep up on him. 

3. The dead body of the man was found on 21 May. It is unknown how old it was. Waghdoh's dead body was found on 23 May. The innards were already under active decay (which leads to reduction in mass) by the time they found him. So it is totally possible that waghdoh died before the man was killed in a tiger attack.

(10-09-2022, 10:13 PM)LonePredator Wrote: @Pckts Nothing will convince you now. All the information is right in front of your eyes yet you refuse to accept it just because of your ego.

This information disproves your previous claims of Tadoba Tigers being very small and this is why you refuse to accept it. Keep in mind that if you keep behaving like this then no one will take anything you say seriously.

“The expert was lying”, “The document is wrong“, “The weight is fake”, “Wagdoh was fat”, “The length is taken over curves”, “Wagdoh had a full stomach”, “Putrefaction increased weight by 20kg”

You will keep making such kinds of excuses over and over again so there is no point in saying anything to you. I’m done explaining.

(10-09-2022, 07:10 PM)Jerricson Wrote: @Roflcopters : "also where is the proof of Sub-Adult Bheema weighing 225kg as a sub adult, how much food content did he have?"


You know even I had the same exact query in my mind. Not just regarding Bheema , but Banda and Konda as well. As far as I know , only Punchkatta's weight was verified. I'm quite new to this whole weight debate but back in the days , you guys were collecting a lot of info on the weight of Indian tigers . So , does anyone here know who was the vet/field biologist in charge for the capture of all those Kanha males (specifically Konda and Banda) ? Because I can only see Min Ha confirmed their weights but I'm not sure if he was actually involved in the capture of these specimens . If anyone knows more about the capture details of Banda and Konda , please enlighten.

(10-10-2022, 12:35 AM)Roflcopters Wrote:

(10-09-2022, 07:10 PM)Jerricson Wrote: @Roflcopters : "also where is the proof of Sub-Adult Bheema weighing 225kg as a sub adult, how much food content did he have?"


You know even I had the same exact query in my mind. Not just regarding Bheema , but Banda and Konda as well. As far as I know , only Punchkatta's weight was verified. I'm quite new to this whole weight debate but back in the days , you guys were collecting a lot of info on the weight of Indian tigers . So , does anyone here know who was the vet/field biologist in charge for the capture of all those Kanha males (specifically Konda and Banda) ? Because I can only see Min Ha confirmed their weights but I'm not sure if he was actually involved in the capture of these specimens . If anyone knows more about the capture details of Banda and Konda , please enlighten.

most of the Kanha weights advertised are just word of mouth, a whole bunch of what this *researcher said* or what this *Wildlife Institute of India scientist told me*. this debate has never moved past the point of Vijay Rajan and Minh Ha’s statements. proceed with extreme caution when taking any of these weights into consideration. it’s been close to almost 10 years and i have yet to see concrete evidence of any of these claims.

Quote:Proceeded with caution” has more to do with your animosity towards Vijay since you were his reason for leaving WF.

Quote:No offense, but he’s far more reliable thank just some fly by night quote.

(10-10-2022, 01:36 AM)Roflcopters Wrote:

Quote:Proceeded with caution” has more to do with your animosity towards Vijay since you were his reason for leaving WF.

wait what? why wasn’t i aware of this. what animosity are you talking about? i don’t even know him like that and never did. i only knew Minh Ha/Asianbuffalo and everyone around me disliked the guy for obvious reasons. 

Quote:No offense, but he’s far more reliable thank just some fly by night quote.

get off the Kanha bandwagon and provide actual proof. stop running around in circles and mentioning names to avoid the real issue. in the end, it’s all about transparency and with the exception of maybe Poochkanta. all those other weights are questionable. 

(10-10-2022, 12:35 AM)Roflcopters Wrote:

(10-09-2022, 07:10 PM)Jerricson Wrote: @Roflcopters : "also where is the proof of Sub-Adult Bheema weighing 225kg as a sub adult, how much food content did he have?"


You know even I had the same exact query in my mind. Not just regarding Bheema , but Banda and Konda as well. As far as I know , only Punchkatta's weight was verified. I'm quite new to this whole weight debate but back in the days , you guys were collecting a lot of info on the weight of Indian tigers . So , does anyone here know who was the vet/field biologist in charge for the capture of all those Kanha males (specifically Konda and Banda) ? Because I can only see Min Ha confirmed their weights but I'm not sure if he was actually involved in the capture of these specimens . If anyone knows more about the capture details of Banda and Konda , please enlighten.

most of the Kanha weights advertised are just word of mouth, a whole bunch of what this *researcher said* or what this *Wildlife Institute of India scientist told me*. this debate has never moved past the point of Vijay Rajan and Minh Ha’s statements. proceed with extreme caution when taking any of these weights into consideration. it’s been close to almost 10 years and i have yet to see concrete evidence of any of these claims.

(10-10-2022, 01:36 AM)Roflcopters Wrote:

Quote:Proceeded with caution” has more to do with your animosity towards Vijay since you were his reason for leaving WF.

wait what? why wasn’t i aware of this. what animosity are you talking about? i don’t even know him like that and never did. i only knew Minh Ha/Asianbuffalo and everyone around me disliked the guy for obvious reasons. 

Quote:No offense, but he’s far more reliable thank just some fly by night quote.

get off the Kanha bandwagon and provide actual proof. stop running around in circles and mentioning names to avoid the real issue. in the end, it’s all about transparency and with the exception of maybe Poochkanta. all those other weights are questionable.