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RE: Human Strength - Polar - 12-03-2017
I also thought Overeem would win last night (based on his good technique), but Ngannou left under-hooked the life out of him. Actually thought Overeem died by the way he fell. Overeem is old, he's gotta hang the gloves up like many other heavyweights today.
Looks like Ngannou really is a great prospect instead of just a hype train: hardest punch in the UFC! STill think Miocic has Ngannou, though.
RE: Human Strength - Pckts - 01-05-2018
(12-03-2017, 10:24 PM)Polar Wrote: I also thought Overeem would win last night (based on his good technique), but Ngannou left under-hooked the life out of him. Actually thought Overeem died by the way he fell. Overeem is old, he's gotta hang the gloves up like many other heavyweights today.
Looks like Ngannou really is a great prospect instead of just a hype train: hardest punch in the UFC! STill think Miocic has Ngannou, though.
We'll see, Miocic is one of those grinders, so if he's able to pressure Ngannou and close the distance, he should be in good shape, but he's going to need to avoid the stand up game completely.
My pick is Francis though, he's super athletic so I think he'll be able to avoid early TD attempts and catch miocic in the first.
RE: Human Strength - brotherbear - 01-05-2018
http://www.infobarrel.com/Bodybuilding_vs_Weightlifting
Weightlifters are a completely different kind of athlete. While the goal of the bodybuilder is to build muscle, the goal of the weightlifter is to get stronger and faster. The typical weightlifter's physique is much smaller than a bodybuilder's physique. Their muscles are dense, compact, and extremely efficient. Appearances generally do not matter to a weightlifter, and there are great variations in the amount of body fat each athlete carries on his or her body. Examples of weightlifters include Holley Mangold, Kendrick Farris and Lu Xiaojun.
Weightlifters aspire to be able to lift weight as fast and as efficiently as possible. They train explosively, with a focus on heavy compound movements with few reps. The reason why they train this way is because weightlifters are primarily concerned with myofibrillar hypertrophy. Whereas sarcoplasmic hypertrophy results in larger muscle fibers for bodybuilders, myofibrillar hypertrophy results in more efficient muscle fibers for weightlifters. You do not use all of your muscle fibers when you flex your muscles. Some fibers contract with less force than others. Weightlifters train with heavy low rep compound exercises because those kinds of explosive movements teach the body's central nervous system to activate more muscle fibers and cause them to contract more forcefully. To illustrate, inducing myofibrillar hypertrophy is like putting a larger engine in a car. The size of the car does not change, but it moves faster because it has a more power under the hood.
RE: Human Strength - Polar - 01-05-2018
(01-05-2018, 02:24 AM)Pckts Wrote:(12-03-2017, 10:24 PM)Polar Wrote: I also thought Overeem would win last night (based on his good technique), but Ngannou left under-hooked the life out of him. Actually thought Overeem died by the way he fell. Overeem is old, he's gotta hang the gloves up like many other heavyweights today.
Looks like Ngannou really is a great prospect instead of just a hype train: hardest punch in the UFC! STill think Miocic has Ngannou, though.
We'll see, Miocic is one of those grinders, so if he's able to pressure Ngannou and close the distance, he should be in good shape, but he's going to need to avoid the stand up game completely.
My pick is Francis though, he's super athletic so I think he'll be able to avoid early TD attempts and catch miocic in the first.
I pick Miocic simply based on his better boxing knowledge and experience. Ngannou is more athletic and "hungry" (and he is a very fast learner), so I don't know. I think Miocic wins by TKO or KO on 2nd or 3rd round.
But if they were to rematch again later this year, Ngannou might win instead. He's been making extreme progress!
RE: Human Strength - brotherbear - 01-05-2018
In your opinion, how much maximum weight can a human lift during an adrenaline rush?
I don't believe that the number would be as high as the choices given for everyone. It would still depend on the physical body of the individual. Don Knots, Gilligan, or myself are not likely to lift a half-ton no matter the adrenaline rush.
RE: Human Strength - brotherbear - 01-08-2018
http://www.pwnfitness.com/2013/05/16/how-strong-professional-bodybuilders/
A little summary of what I’ve just said
- Bodybuilders are not as strong as powerlifters in the 3 main lifts, but they could be pretty close if they focused on it;
- BB’ers are strong;
- Strongmen are way stronger than a body builder.
RE: Human Strength - Pckts - 01-08-2018
That article is absurd, it’s just some guys random opinion from 2013. You are comparing apples to oranges, I know plenty of strongman who cannot lift as much as plenty of body builders and vice versa.
You’re comparing two different sports, body builders need to focus on diet, symmetry and posing as well, strongman do not. What you don’t realize is that there is tremendous overlap between all of these sports. Bodybuilders, powerlifters, Olympic lifters and strongman all cross compete.
Strong is strong and there are many different ways of measuring strength.
RE: Human Strength - brotherbear - 01-08-2018
The contest should be: who can lift the heaviest set of barbells above his head - Mr. Universe vs World Champion Weight Lifter.
RE: Human Strength - Pckts - 01-08-2018
Strict or push press?
One is shoulders other is quads and glutes.
Best test of calculatable strength is the deadlift IMO.
Simply put, how much weight can you lift off the ground.
RE: Human Strength - brotherbear - 01-08-2018
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=heavyweight+weight+lifter+mark+henry&&view=detail&mid=0263A4BE09A50122B2680263A4BE09A50122B268&rvsmid=884FCFCDF3E848F28226884FCFCDF3E848F28226&FORM=VDQVAP
RE: Human Strength - Pckts - 01-08-2018
(01-08-2018, 11:05 PM)brotherbear Wrote: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=heavyweight+weight+lifter+mark+henry&&view=detail&mid=0263A4BE09A50122B2680263A4BE09A50122B268&rvsmid=884FCFCDF3E848F28226884FCFCDF3E848F28226&FORM=VDQVAP
That's called a clean and press, he's using wide grip as well.
That is more of an Olympic lift.
Olympic lifts are Clean and Jerk and snatch.
Here are some of the strongest bodybuilders ever:
http://swoletra.com/the-top-10-strongest-ifbb-pro-bodybuilders-of-all-time/
Strongmen are going to be great at sustained strength, they will be able to maintain close to maximum output for longer periods of time. Olympic lifters are explosive strength, they will exert maximum output for one lift at a time, Bodybuilders will have the highest muscular endurance per body part, they will out rep any of the above at the highest body to weight ratio, you can also throw crossfit athletes in there as well, they are a mix of all of the above.
RE: Human Strength - brotherbear - 01-09-2018
I'm not sure just how well Paul Anderson would measure up to modern strongmen. He was the strongest man of my younger days. As for bodybuilders, Steve Reeves was by far the most popular. It was he who inspired both Arnold and Lou to become bodybuilders.
https://www.stevereeves.com/ http://www.samson-power.com/ASL/anderson.html
RE: Human Strength - brotherbear - 01-12-2018
The Difference Between Body Building and Strength Training - https://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/fitness/body-building/the-difference-between-body-building-and-strength-training.html
What's your goal when you work out? Is your goal to build massive muscles, or are you trying to develop real, functional strength? You'll find that the two are very different!
Bodybuilding: It's All About Size
Bodybuilders are lifting weights not to develop functional strength but to increase the size of their muscles. They will develop strength along the way, but it's only a side effect of the training rather than the focus.
Those lifting for size will usually work for the "pump," which is when blood brings oxygen and nutrients to your muscles and gives you a sort of high. The type of lifting done by bodybuilders is meant to create microscopic tears in the muscle, forcing the body to repair the muscles and expand the storage capacity. The repairs caused the muscles to grow larger, a process known as hypertrophy.
When the muscles grow larger, they are able to hold more energy, which means they can exert greater force. However, the energy stored in bulky muscles is not the same as real strength, and bodybuilders often tend to be weaker than they look.
The term "bodybuilding" usually refers to competitive exhibitions, and a lot of "bodybuilders" are only working out to get the kind of body that will look good on a stage.
Strength Training: It's All About Strength
When it comes to strength training, there is only one purpose to the workout: to increase the amount of force your muscles can produce to lift heavy objects. The size and shape of the muscles don't matter, provided they can exert maximum force when it comes time to lift.
Training for strength is usually done with low reps and high weight, and the training is aimed at teaching your central nervous system how to most efficiently recruit motor units when lifting. You lift with the goal of strengthening your muscles, reinforcing the joints, hardening the bones, and developing stronger connective tissue.
Unlike bodybuilders, the average strength trainee does NOT have a perfectly sculpted physique. They will usually have a higher body fat percentage, and their shape often tends to be blocky and solid rather than sleek and svelte. But when it comes time to use those muscles, they have much more functional strength and endurance than a bodybuilder.
How to be a Strength Trainee, Not a Bodybuilder:
Aim for perfect form rather than maximum weight.
[*]Include the right number of sets per muscle.
[*]Don't swing, jerk, or cheat, but use slow, precise movements in your training. If that means lowering your weight, so be it.
[*]Focus on building every muscle group evenly, not just the "show" muscles.
[*]Control the eccentric (lowering) motion as much as the concentric (raising) motion. Slower eccentric motion can lead to serious muscle development.
[*]Never lock out your joints.
Unless you want to be a competitive bodybuilder, it's always smart to go the route of strength training at the gym. Bodybuilding may be a good way to develop big, bulky muscles, but it won't help you develop the strength
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[*]Jump Rope Your Way to Buff
RE: Human Strength - Pckts - 01-15-2018
"Unlike bodybuilders, the average strength trainee does NOT have a perfectly sculpted physique. They will usually have a higher body fat percentage, and their shape often tends to be blocky and solid rather than sleek and svelte. But when it comes time to use those muscles, they have much more functional strength and endurance than a bodybuilder."
Notice the term I highlighted, that is generally the knock on a Bodybuilder when an amateur Power lifter/Strongman compares their strength to them. But again, what is "functional strength?"
There is no lift that a strong Bodybuilder cannot compete against a power lifter or strongman. Lifting is about technique, strength is about persistence. Strongman can lift a lot, power lifters can lift a lot and Bodybuilders can lift a lot. If one cross over to another, they will need to adjust how they train and there will be areas they are weaker and areas they are stronger, they'll need to work hard to make their weakness's their strengths.
In the end, Bodybuilders deserve their place right next to any other weightlifting athlete, even more so than most IMO, to compete at bodybuilding takes extra effort because of the Diet and Posing aspect as well. But all are great sports and get the utmost respect from me.
RE: Human Strength - Polar - 01-16-2018
Functional strength is much like a wrestler's or a wild animal's strength (many MMA fighters like Fedor, Lesnar, Overeem, Ngannou, and Matt Hughes have extreme natural, functional strength to name a few). It doesn't directly come out in the forms of lifts or from technique, but raw, wild strength like tackling a man heavier than you down with ease, or clenching them against the cage with ease, or picking them up like Karelin and throwing them around like toys. From my experience, it is much harder to lift a 300-pound sandbag with uneven distribution than a perfectly distributed 300-pound barbell of the ground.
Functional strength eliminates much of the uneven distribution and counter-forces, while "gym strength" automatically assumes a much more balanced distribution. Most things on the planet are uneven, which is another reason why wild animals are strong as they are compared to us. We simply made everything more even for us.