(02-03-2019, 02:36 PM)Shadow Wrote:

Quote:So out of 22 dogs, 12 were killed and even more were seriously injured?
Didn't seem very believable that the entire pack would basically go on a suicide mission vs a tiger like that...

Idea has been to find as much different sources and possible observations as possible. If someone believes or not is another thing. Feel free to believe or not. Sunquist & Sunquist thinked, that it was worth to mention. It is very clear, that some people don´t believe. But dholes have quite a reputation and some people want to find out as much as possible about it. And to what it is based on. How many different sources are there etc.

It is interesting and only way to find pieces to puzzle is to search those. There is one interesting thing, man possible cases seems to come from biologists and hunters, who adore tigers. Still they share these cases for all of us to read. What reason they would have to make their favorite animal to be seen in "bad light"? Tiger fanboys in different forums for instance would never share this kind of stories. They would deny everything and try to make cases, like this last one, to vanish.

Objective researchers then again put everything up for everyone to see. Despite it, that does it look like to be "good" or "bad" for their favorite animal. Because objective truth about things and real interest to learn about wildlife is to look at all the facts, not only those which look nice for someone. At this point there looks like to be quite a lot different sources mentioning incidents, where situations between dholes and tiger have escalated to furious fights. Common feature has been, that it does mean many dead dholes if tiger is brought down. So from that point of view this latest case is not different.

(02-04-2019, 04:38 AM)Shadow Wrote: I was looking a little bit about sources so far in this thread what comes to reputation of dholes.

I found these names: K. Anderson, J. Corbett, W. Rice, Burton, R.C. Morris, Robert Sterndale, R.I. Pocock, William Blanford, W. Connell, Kailash Sankhala, then also David Attenborough and Sunquist&Sunquist. One interesting book to find and read would be Whistling Hunters from M. Fox.

(02-12-2019, 04:02 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:

(02-03-2019, 02:36 PM)Shadow Wrote:

Quote:So out of 22 dogs, 12 were killed and even more were seriously injured?
Didn't seem very believable that the entire pack would basically go on a suicide mission vs a tiger like that...

Idea has been to find as much different sources and possible observations as possible. If someone believes or not is another thing. Feel free to believe or not. Sunquist & Sunquist thinked, that it was worth to mention. It is very clear, that some people don´t believe. But dholes have quite a reputation and some people want to find out as much as possible about it. And to what it is based on. How many different sources are there etc.

It is interesting and only way to find pieces to puzzle is to search those. There is one interesting thing, man possible cases seems to come from biologists and hunters, who adore tigers. Still they share these cases for all of us to read. What reason they would have to make their favorite animal to be seen in "bad light"? Tiger fanboys in different forums for instance would never share this kind of stories. They would deny everything and try to make cases, like this last one, to vanish.

Objective researchers then again put everything up for everyone to see. Despite it, that does it look like to be "good" or "bad" for their favorite animal. Because objective truth about things and real interest to learn about wildlife is to look at all the facts, not only those which look nice for someone. At this point there looks like to be quite a lot different sources mentioning incidents, where situations between dholes and tiger have escalated to furious fights. Common feature has been, that it does mean many dead dholes if tiger is brought down. So from that point of view this latest case is not different.

I  am agree in the fact that is good to share this information, so we can analyze it. And under this analysis we can see that the account seems incredible, somehow real and accurate, but also at some point, drive to the realm of the fantastic stories. 

If this account is correct (which I think not), the survival group of dholes was of just 6 to 7 adults, enoght to recover the numbers. As far I remember the original source claim that the surviving dholes eat its dead ones too.

(02-12-2019, 04:42 AM)Shadow Wrote:

(02-12-2019, 04:02 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:

(02-03-2019, 02:36 PM)Shadow Wrote:

Quote:So out of 22 dogs, 12 were killed and even more were seriously injured?
Didn't seem very believable that the entire pack would basically go on a suicide mission vs a tiger like that...

Idea has been to find as much different sources and possible observations as possible. If someone believes or not is another thing. Feel free to believe or not. Sunquist & Sunquist thinked, that it was worth to mention. It is very clear, that some people don´t believe. But dholes have quite a reputation and some people want to find out as much as possible about it. And to what it is based on. How many different sources are there etc.

It is interesting and only way to find pieces to puzzle is to search those. There is one interesting thing, man possible cases seems to come from biologists and hunters, who adore tigers. Still they share these cases for all of us to read. What reason they would have to make their favorite animal to be seen in "bad light"? Tiger fanboys in different forums for instance would never share this kind of stories. They would deny everything and try to make cases, like this last one, to vanish.

Objective researchers then again put everything up for everyone to see. Despite it, that does it look like to be "good" or "bad" for their favorite animal. Because objective truth about things and real interest to learn about wildlife is to look at all the facts, not only those which look nice for someone. At this point there looks like to be quite a lot different sources mentioning incidents, where situations between dholes and tiger have escalated to furious fights. Common feature has been, that it does mean many dead dholes if tiger is brought down. So from that point of view this latest case is not different.

I  am agree in the fact that is good to share this information, so we can analyze it. And under this analysis we can see that the account seems incredible, somehow real and accurate, but also at some point, drive to the realm of the fantastic stories. 

If this account is correct (which I think not), the survival group of dholes was of just 6 to 7 adults, enoght to recover the numbers. As far I remember the original source claim that the surviving dholes eat its dead ones too.

My main interest personally is many times, as here too, to find out as much about some exceptional things. In which we are still in that limit, that it actually could happen if some animal(s) would for some reason act in unusual way compared to normal behavior. Time to time we see in nature things, which many wouldn´t believe if no photo or video. If I have understood right, there is ongoing research concerning tiger-dhole-leopard interaction, Karanth and others(?). So there is hope, that in quite near future again more information. 

I personally would be very interested to see situation, where a reasonable sized dhole pack makes a kill and tiger then going to steal it right away. But then again, I also wait to win in lottery....

(02-12-2019, 04:53 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(02-12-2019, 04:42 AM)Shadow Wrote:

(02-12-2019, 04:02 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:

(02-03-2019, 02:36 PM)Shadow Wrote:

Quote:So out of 22 dogs, 12 were killed and even more were seriously injured?
Didn't seem very believable that the entire pack would basically go on a suicide mission vs a tiger like that...

Idea has been to find as much different sources and possible observations as possible. If someone believes or not is another thing. Feel free to believe or not. Sunquist & Sunquist thinked, that it was worth to mention. It is very clear, that some people don´t believe. But dholes have quite a reputation and some people want to find out as much as possible about it. And to what it is based on. How many different sources are there etc.

It is interesting and only way to find pieces to puzzle is to search those. There is one interesting thing, man possible cases seems to come from biologists and hunters, who adore tigers. Still they share these cases for all of us to read. What reason they would have to make their favorite animal to be seen in "bad light"? Tiger fanboys in different forums for instance would never share this kind of stories. They would deny everything and try to make cases, like this last one, to vanish.

Objective researchers then again put everything up for everyone to see. Despite it, that does it look like to be "good" or "bad" for their favorite animal. Because objective truth about things and real interest to learn about wildlife is to look at all the facts, not only those which look nice for someone. At this point there looks like to be quite a lot different sources mentioning incidents, where situations between dholes and tiger have escalated to furious fights. Common feature has been, that it does mean many dead dholes if tiger is brought down. So from that point of view this latest case is not different.

I  am agree in the fact that is good to share this information, so we can analyze it. And under this analysis we can see that the account seems incredible, somehow real and accurate, but also at some point, drive to the realm of the fantastic stories. 

If this account is correct (which I think not), the survival group of dholes was of just 6 to 7 adults, enoght to recover the numbers. As far I remember the original source claim that the surviving dholes eat its dead ones too.

My main interest personally is many times, as here too, to find out as much about some exceptional things. In which we are still in that limit, that it actually could happen if some animal(s) would for some reason act in unusual way compared to normal behavior. Time to time we see in nature things, which many wouldn´t believe if no photo or video. If I have understood right, there is ongoing research concerning tiger-dhole-leopard interaction, Karanth and others(?). So there is hope, that in quite near future again more information. 

I personally would be very interested to see situation, where a reasonable sized dhole pack makes a kill and tiger then going to steal it right away. But then again, I also wait to win in lottery....

Not a large sized pack but the same scenario you're asking for 

(02-12-2019, 04:09 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:

(02-04-2019, 04:38 AM)Shadow Wrote: I was looking a little bit about sources so far in this thread what comes to reputation of dholes.

I found these names: K. Anderson, J. Corbett, W. Rice, Burton, R.C. Morris, Robert Sterndale, R.I. Pocock, William Blanford, W. Connell, Kailash Sankhala, then also David Attenborough and Sunquist&Sunquist. One interesting book to find and read would be Whistling Hunters from M. Fox.

Rice, Burton and Morris did not saw a direct tiger vs dhole fight as far I know.

Anderson saw one and believed in the claims of the locals.  Connell did not even saw the event, he just quote it.

Sterndale and Pocock just believed and quoted what others saw and Blandford did not believed in those events.

Sankhala believe that tigers run in every moment, so not a good source at all.

David Attnborough is a good naturalist of TV, but be honest, he read what the books says, and Sunquist quoted the event for mere interest like us here, and he quote only those two events because only those are accuratelly described.

The book of M. Fox do not mention anything about tigers, as far I remember.