+- WildFact (https://wildfact.com/forum)
+-- Forum: Information Section (https://wildfact.com/forum/forum-information-section)
+--- Forum: Terrestrial Wild Animals (https://wildfact.com/forum/forum-terrestrial-wild-animals)
+---- Forum: Wild Cats (https://wildfact.com/forum/forum-wild-cats)
+----- Forum: Lion (https://wildfact.com/forum/forum-lion)
+----- Thread: Coalitions of Kruger National Park (/topic-coalitions-of-kruger-national-park)
Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173
174
175
176
177
178
179
180
181
182
183
184
185
186
187
188
189
190
191
192
193
194
195
196
197
198
199
200
201
202
203
204
205
206
207
208
209
210
211
212
213
214
215
216
217
218
219
220
221
222
223
224
225
226
227
228
229
230
231
232
233
234
235
236
237
238
239
240
241
242
243
244
245
246
247
248
249
250
251
252
253
254
255
256
257
258
259
260
261
262
263
264
265
266
267
268
269
270
271
272
273
274
275
276
277
278
279
280
281
282
283
284
285
286
287
288
289
290
291
292
293
294
295
296
297
298
299
300
301
302
303
304
305
306
307
308
309
310
311
312
313
314
315
316
317
318
319
320
321
322
323
324
325
326
327
328
329
330
331
332
333
334
335
336
337
338
339
340
341
342
343
344
345
346
347
348
349
350
351
352
353
354
355
356
357
358
359
360
361
362
363
364
365
366
367
368
369
370
371
372
373
374
375
376
377
378
379
380
381
382
383
384
385
386
387
388
389
390
391
392
393
394
395
396
397
398
399
400
401
402
403
404
405
406
407
408
409
410
411
412
413
414
415
416
417
418
419
420
421
422
423
424
425
426
427
428
429
430
431
432
433
434
435
436
437
438
439
440
441
442
443
444
445
446
447
448
449
450
451
452
453
454
455
456
457
458
459
460
461
462
463
464
465
466
467
468
469
470
471
472
473
474
475
476
477
478
479
480
481
482
483
484
485
486
487
488
489
490
491
492
493
494
495
496
497
498
499
500
501
502
503
504
505
506
507
508
509
510
511
512
513
514
515
516
517
518
519
520
521
522
523
524
525
526
527
528
529
530
531
532
533
534
535
536
537
538
539
540
541
542
543
544
545
546
547
548
549
550
551
552
553
554
555
556
557
558
559
560
561
562
563
564
565
566
567
568
569
570
571
572
573
574
575
576
577
578
579
580
581
582
583
584
585
586
587
588
589
590
591
592
593
594
595
596
597
598
599
600
601
602
603
604
605
606
607
608
609
610
611
612
613
614
615
616
617
618
619
620
621
622
623
624
625
626
627
628
629
630
631
632
633
634
635
636
637
638
639
640
641
642
643
644
645
646
647
648
649
650
651
652
653
654
655
656
657
658
659
660
661
662
663
664
665
666
667
668
669
670
671
672
673
674
675
676
677
678
679
680
681
682
683
684
685
686
687
688
689
690
691
692
693
694
695
696
697
698
699
700
701
702
703
704
705
706
707
708
709
710
711
712
713
714
715
716
717
718
719
720
721
722
723
724
725
726
727
728
729
730
731
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - T I N O - 07-21-2020
(07-21-2020, 01:53 AM)Matimbalani Wrote:(07-20-2020, 11:39 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Shishangeni malesAre the Shishangeni still three? The Gomondwane seem to be following them.
Correct: The Shishangeni are still three males... Until today there aren't any sign of the fourth brother.
2 - I don't think that they seems to be following them but are keeping an eye in their territory.
Now are two groups 5 and 2.
I believe that is a successful way to control their boundaries and marking the area but one of the most risky at the same time!
If the 6 Vurhami and the 6 Gomondwane reach the adulthood free and without any fight before that.
I'm very sure that they could be a threat in the South KNP ((in the case that they don't move out of there.)
Maybe this can never happend but Imagine if they do a coalition of 12 male lions! OMG.
A fairy tale haha
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Tr1x24 - 07-21-2020
(07-21-2020, 01:48 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: Very agree with you.
i know that the Mpondo or Gomondwane or even Shishangeni are very strong males.
But the Mantimahle are just the perfect coalition to follow by close and understand the lion behavior and their dynamics!
Originally as seven brothers only five have reached up the adulthood. (Exist rumours that the 6th is alive but i don't believe it.)
if i remember correctly, they currently are holding almost big part of Skukuza and Lower sabie, Basically one of the most famous parts of the Kruger National Park, The mighty Skukuza area!
They abandon their territory close to Skukuza (5th Mantimahles territory) and now their territory is from around Nkuhlu, eastern parts of s21, s30 and north of it towards Tshokwane and along h4-1 almost to Lower Sabie, very big territory..
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - T I N O - 07-21-2020
(07-21-2020, 02:06 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:Good to know.(07-21-2020, 01:48 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: Very agree with you.
i know that the Mpondo or Gomondwane or even Shishangeni are very strong males.
But the Mantimahle are just the perfect coalition to follow by close and understand the lion behavior and their dynamics!
Originally as seven brothers only five have reached up the adulthood. (Exist rumours that the 6th is alive but i don't believe it.)
if i remember correctly, they currently are holding almost big part of Skukuza and Lower sabie, Basically one of the most famous parts of the Kruger National Park, The mighty Skukuza area!
They abandon their territory close to Skukuza (5th Mantimahles territory) and now their territory is from around Nkuhlu, eastern parts of s21, s30 and north of it towards Tshokwane and along h4-1 almost to Lower Sabie, very big territory..
Still is a great territory for those old boys
I've heard that they once have ruled more than 10 prides.
Incluiding the breakaways ones
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Potato - 07-21-2020
https://www.latestsightings.com/single-post/2020/07/20/3-Male-Lions-Attacking-Another-Lion-Get-Interrupted-by-Elephants-and-Hippos-Mjejane?fbk&fbclid=IwAR2eZjofxGMDr0aws5ovWI3OY6YQo0y8Tr48CBq6THFBok59wmH40Pzgsn4
Mjejane males killing intruder male
*This image is copyright of its original author
There is nothing like the intensity of lion dynamics in the African bush. This video shows what goes on when young nomadic male lions enter into unknown territory.
*This image is copyright of its original author
27-year-old, owner of South Post Lodge, Steyn Jacobsohn witnessed an incredible fight for survival in the Mjejane Game Reserve on the 18th of July. This display of survival of the fittest carried on for almost 3 hours! 3 Lions were attacking 1 male lion in a dual of trespasser elimination!
*This image is copyright of its original author
We caught up with Steyn and he shared his experience with LatestSightings.com:
“I started a drive with guests and got an update of 3 big male lions that were walking on the road, so I responded to them and got them on the road walking in front of our Open Safari Vehicle, they were on a mission! They disappeared quickly but we managed to relocate them at the dam where they were busy drinking, from there they were up again and running, sniffing, marking in the area so I told my guests that the lions were looking for something and that it was not food, maybe a lion in their territory.”
*This image is copyright of its original author
“I was sure that this was the best sighting we would have for the day so we continued on our way to get a coffee at the coffee shop. The next moment all hell broke loose! While having coffee, we saw 3 big male lions chasing a young male and we could tell that the situation was getting even more intense as they chased through a herd of elephants. Startled by the chaos, the elephants responded by chasing the lions as they broke through an opening and each could split into their own different directions.”
*This image is copyright of its original author
“For about 5 minutes, things were quiet, and then a big fight started between the male lions right opposite us, on the other side of the dam. The fight lasted a whole of almost 3 hours as the 3 adult males kept returning to the injured and tired young male, biting and clawing at him. The elephants and hippos attempted to chase the 3 male lions away each time they returned, almost as if they were protecting the young male from a fatal end. Unfortunately, fate was not in the young males' favor as the adult males returned one last time, finished the job, and then left for good.”
*This image is copyright of its original author
“The young male lion was left badly injured, with a broken back and later succumbed to its injuries. He then became a meal for vultures who later joined the scene.”
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - 239Pu - 07-22-2020
really dont understand lions . why not get in the water to escape ? they always just accept the beating instead of running for their lives . hate it
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - T I N O - 07-22-2020
(07-22-2020, 12:24 AM)239Pu Wrote: really dont understand lions . why not get in the water to escape ? they always just accept the beating instead of running for their lives . hate it
Sometimes they don't think.
They just act by instinct and I'm sure that if this young male I would have gone into the water the Hippos or Crocodiles can killing him there
This was a bit of unlucky for him.
But after all this is the lion dynamics and it's fascinating how they act in those situations
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Tr1x24 - 07-22-2020
(07-22-2020, 12:24 AM)239Pu Wrote: really dont understand lions . why not get in the water to escape ? they always just accept the beating instead of running for their lives . hate it
On this footage he already have broken back, he cant walk..
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Dreadlocks - 07-22-2020
Male lion near skukuza can someone confirmed id - (i think S Avoca) -https://twitter.com/LatestKruger/status/1285936890663899136/photo/1
(huge territorial fight. 1 with a bad injury on nose and 1 with a slashed open cheek three more on a kill in the Bushes)
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Tr1x24 - 07-22-2020
(07-22-2020, 07:09 PM)Dreadlocks Wrote: Male lion near skukuza can someone confirmed id - (i think S Avoca) -https://twitter.com/LatestKruger/status/1285936890663899136/photo/1
(huge territorial fight. 1 with a bad injury on nose and 1 with a slashed open cheek three more on a kill in the Bushes)
*This image is copyright of its original author
No, thats on H1-1, thats too west to be S. Avocas, this to me look like Dreadlocks from DeLaporte, maybe fight with Mpondos??
But thats close to Transport Dam, thats too west to be Mpondos involved..
DeLaportes and Talamati/Southern males maybe involved, Fourways males are close too.. Idk..
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Tr1x24 - 07-22-2020
(07-22-2020, 07:20 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:Quote:Male lion near skukuza can someone confirmed id - (i think S Avoca) -https://twitter.com/LatestKruger/status/1285936890663899136/photo/1
(huge territorial fight. 1 with a bad injury on nose and 1 with a slashed open cheek three more on a kill in the Bushes)
*This image is copyright of its original author
*This image is copyright of its original author
No, thats on H1-1, thats too west to be S. Avocas, this to me look like Dreadlocks from DeLaporte, maybe fight with Mpondos??
But thats close to Transport Dam, thats too west to be Mpondos involved..
DeLaportes and Talamati/Southern males maybe involved, Fourways males are close too.. Idk..
Its not Dreadlocks, Dreadlocks has a permanent black mark on his mouth, very visible on a video of him from few days ago in Lion Sands :
*This image is copyright of its original author
This male doesn't have that.
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Tr1x24 - 07-22-2020
Drop Lip Kumana male stil dominant over Shishangaan pride:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CC7t_SYAQm5/?igshid=duxovze0kyq6
*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Peteporker - 07-22-2020
From Mjejane Bush Camp page
https://www.facebook.com/MjejaneBushCamp/
Lion update!
On Friday night, the three Mjejane Males came onto the reserve to sort out the 6 young interlopers who have been laying claim over the past week, roaring precociously across at Kruger from the river bank.
One of the younger males managed to get himself isolated between Old Fence and Leadwood. His mates had hidden away towards the south east.
Foolishly, he contact-called (inexperience?)and the three boys found him.
A huge fracas ensued as they chased him down to the dam, attacking and injuring him badly (in the bushes).
An elephant herd then stampeded the lions and the fight moved out of the bushes to the northern bank of the dam where all could see what ensued.
The youngster was badly bashed, but still able to stand. The big three just kept coming back at him to administer more blows in quick, angry bursts.
The fourth attack dealt the killer bite as the youngest of our Big Three broke the lion’s back. It was ferocious.
They then came back for one last look, realised they’d done the job, and sauntered off.
The young chap took about an hour or so to finally die - so didn’t suffer too long.
The Big Three were last seen by Tim on Cheetah and no sign of them this morning. They seem to have headed back to Kruger. Perhaps they think their work is done?
Under the radar, the now five youngsters are still in the south east. They made a kill on Rock Fig and have been joined by that lioness who has been roaming the reserve. She seems to be in probably fake oestris as two of the boys are very interested in her and we saw one mating moment.
All very dramatic and VERY interesting. We’ll add some pics
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - NCAT33 - 07-22-2020
Could the young males be the Gomondwane? There were 7 at one time?
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Tr1x24 - 07-23-2020
(07-22-2020, 11:35 PM)NCAT33 Wrote: Could the young males be the Gomondwane? There were 7 at one time?
No, young Gomondwanes are older, and already dominant, they are around the age of those 3 Mjejane males.
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Tr1x24 - 07-23-2020
Shishangaan young males (Casper is not on photos but he was with them) 1 month ago on s100 near s41:
Photo credit : capturing_kruger (instagram)
*This image is copyright of its original author
*This image is copyright of its original author
*This image is copyright of its original author
*This image is copyright of its original author
So these males are born around mid 2014, some are few months older, and some younger, they are 6 yrs old now and still not dominant, they've returned to their home land, hope they find a pride for themselves soon..