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RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Tr1x24 - 04-30-2022
(04-30-2022, 06:46 PM)Gabriele Wrote: The lions who killed this poor sub-adult
Yea, i was talking about them in my response, we call them Mazithi pride males.
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - lionuk - 04-30-2022
1/3 Mjejane males, Toya
Big On Wild
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RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Brahim - 04-30-2022
@lionuk That's the biggest Mjejane male, not the one you guys call pretty boy
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Gabriele - 04-30-2022
(03-20-2022, 06:19 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(03-20-2022, 01:56 PM)Brahimlegend Wrote: So I heard yesteday old lubyelubye was seen running away from something on S130 and there was a report of 5 males fighting on s130 yesterday and later on the 5 Gomondwane males were there so something happened yesterday
Where is Vurhami s28 male? Lately not seen with them.
(04-30-2022, 07:35 PM)lionuk Wrote: 1/3 Mjejane males, Toya
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Let's hope they won't return to Mjejane where the hippo pools now reside
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Gavskrr - 05-01-2022
South Shishangeni after a snack
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RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Tr1x24 - 05-01-2022
Mohawk S28 male:
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RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Brahim - 05-01-2022
Pretoriuskop male with his 5 Sons on the S1.
Credit: Carine
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Tr1x24 - 05-01-2022
(05-01-2022, 04:07 PM)Brahimlegend Wrote: Pretoriuskop male with his 5 Sons on the S1.
Credit: Carine
These guys might cause problems soon for Phabeni males and other coalitions in the area.
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Gabriele - 05-01-2022
I believe that evolutionarily a father, biological or stepfather, or older brother, who takes the lead of a group of sub-adult lions is a winner. I am amazed that it is quite rare instead.
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Duco Ndona - 05-01-2022
The wrecked powerbalance in the group makes it unstable. The younger subs would eventually be far better off to dump the older members once they can handle their own affairs.
The evolutionay advantage is also debatable. As the younger generation is being supressed by the older generation. Reducing the chance of grandchildren.
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Tr1x24 - 05-01-2022
Throwback, 4 Hippo Pools young males (older) feeding, mid 2020:
Smudge Nose :
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Light Mane :
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Male sitting in the back is Cheek Scar who is with S28 males.
4th, "missing" male:
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He looked definitely youngest of the 4, i still not sure if he is maybe older male of 2 youngest who stayed behind with the pride longer, and become nomadic in late 2021:
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RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Brahim - 05-01-2022
1/3 Lower Sabie males
Credit: Grant Koen
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Wyld@Heart - 05-01-2022
(05-01-2022, 05:55 PM)Gabriele Wrote: I believe that evolutionarily a father, biological or stepfather, or older brother, who takes the lead of a group of sub-adult lions is a winner. I am amazed that it is quite rare instead.
It's because the fathers, and the prides, instinct is to kick them out so they can move on and this provides for movements of genetics. Accepting the subadults as dominant males in the same pride territory when they're grown will mean they will mate with their own siblings, aunts, mothers etc so in evolutionary terms that would be a major disadvantage to the health of the lion population.
Generally if a pride male has formed a coalition with his sons/nephews it's after he's lost the territory and they've been kicked out by the new males but survived the contact. In genetic terms, that's okay because they move on to contest other territories, like the surviving Birmingham male and his son now. Older males do sometimes meet up with sons/younger siblings or unrelated young coalitions after they've become nomadic and then provide an older presence that does prove helpful. This was the case with the Mapogos, I believe, with Makhulu being at least two years older than the rest although he was integrated with them in the pride from very early on.
So in certain circumstances it will happen and does happen but in the ordinary event of males within a pride forming up with their fathers/uncles and staying in the territory? Not optimal and healthy males will see them as competition hence not seen all that often.
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Potato - 05-02-2022
(05-01-2022, 04:07 PM)Brahimlegend Wrote: Pretoriuskop male with his 5 Sons on the S1.
Credit: Carine
Those are probably ones now seen at Lion Sands no?
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Brahim - 05-02-2022
@Potato Not sure who those new guys are, maybe 4 Skukuza boys