(02-06-2022, 10:00 PM)DARK MANE Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 08:09 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: Dark Mane with his sister in 2009, seen at S34/S36. This area was Robson territory at the time so maybe the Majingilanes were actually sired by Stompie and  1eye

Credits: Ahmed Odinia

Yeah, I have also read about a lot of . 
But the mathematics don't go that way. 
In April 2003 two male cubs were born into the Othawa pride. They were sired by the 3 males of the Split Rock coalition (Scar, Tyson & 3rd male) who gave safety and stability. 
In January 2005 thins changed dramatically: The Split Rock males were fighting the Rollercoaster males over months for  dominance of Sparta pride. The Othawa pride was unprotected and on its own. An unknown male took the chance to the lead the pride. Nhlanguleni was first seen in the west around March 2005, he was found in the river mating with one of the Ottawa lionesses, close to Ottawa camp. He was often on his own but started spending more time with one half of the Ottawas after the cubs were born, the other half- 2 lionesses, the 2 young males Stompie and 1eye and a young female stayed away from him. 

The young Othawa males stayed under the protection of their mothers until the arrival of the 6 Mapogo males by beginning of 2006. 

Stompie and 1eye left their natal pride and were now called the Robson males. On September 2006 they tried to take over the Styx pride after killing the pride cubs but failed.
Living as Nomads on the landscape between Sabi sands and Kruger, the Robson boys became great buffalo hunters. Over years they will stay the silent hunters and visitors of rival male areas, especially the Mapogos, but they avoided to confront them.
In mid 2010 they risked one last try to take-over the eastern parts of Sabi Sands. They were beaten and injured by Kinky Tail and Mr. T and they have been expelled into Kruger. 

So on serious note, both the robson males were in SS only, until mid 2010.They rarely goes to KNP. 


Also, the most important point is majingis were born in start 2005, ( one or two may be in late 2004 also, especially the largest one, that was killed by KT and Mr T).But let's play safe and consider them all 2005 born.
HOW THE HELL ON EARTH TWO TEENS MALES ( NOT EVEN TWO YEARS OLD), MANAGE TO GET GIRLS FOR THEMSELVES, WHEN SPLIT ROCK, ROLLER COASTER AND MAPOGOS ALL WERE IN LINE??
ALSO WHEN THEY WERE STILL WITH THEIR NATAL PRIDE. HOW DO THEY MANAGE TO GO KNP? 
NOT EVEN 2, HOW TWO SUBS MANAGE TO DEFEAT THE RULING COALITION?? 
AND I AM NOT EVEN COUNTING THE 3-4 MONTHS GESTATION PERIOD. 

SIMPLE MATHEMATICS IS NOT ALLOING THIS THEORY. 
I AM NOT BUYING IT
IT'S CLEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. 



 

Quote:In April 2003 two male cubs were born into the Othawa pride. They were sired by the 3 males of the Split Rock coalition (Scar, Tyson & 3rd male) who gave safety and stability

Quote:So on serious note, both the robson males were in SS only, until mid 2010.They rarely goes to KNP

Quote:In mid 2010 they risked one last try to take-over the eastern parts of Sabi Sands. They were beaten and injured by Kinky Tail and Mr. T and they have been expelled into Kruger.”

Quote:Also, the most important point is majingis were born in start 2005, ( one or two may be in late 2004 also, especially the largest one, that was killed by KT and Mr T).But let's play safe and consider them all 2005 born.

(02-07-2022, 12:35 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: @Mdz123 on Majingilanes and Robsons topic.

@DARK MANE Robson males left Sabi Sands around late 2006 (in September 2006 they where still in Sabi Sands) and 2007.

In 2007 they where starting to be seen around Rhino Post lodge and Kruger Tablets area which become their territory. 

Not sure if they tryed to takeover eastern parts of Sabi Sands in 2010, but at that point, they where dominant in Kruger for few years. 

My problem with them being fathers of Majingilanes is that Majingilanes would then be born in 2007, if we assume that Robsons started mating with them in very late 2006 (remember in September they where still in Sabi Sands try to takeover Styx).

And i dont think thats possible, Majingilanes where prob born atleast mid/early 2006 ( prob depending on litter, Dark Mane is definitely the oldest one) even if they are born in late 2006 they couldn't be sired by Robsons. 

Remember, Majingilanes tookover their first territory in mid 2010, so if we take "best case" scenario when Robsons could sire them, they would be born in early 2007, which would mean they tookover their first territory and killed Kinky Tail at the age of only 3,5 yrs, which i dont think its possible. 

This is Hip-Scar in October 2007 (1 year ago in September 2006 Robsons are still in Sabi Sands), Hip-Scar should'nt even be 1 yrs old here then :

*This image is copyright of its original author

From information we have i dont think its possible that Robsons sired Majingilanes. 

I think that Old Tshokwane males are far more likely option :

*This image is copyright of its original author

Golden Mane resembles a lot that 3rd male :

*This image is copyright of its original author

We obiviously cant confirme anything because we dont have any pictures of young Majingilanes with their fathers, heck Majingilanes might not even be sired by same coalition as far as we know.

(02-07-2022, 12:54 AM)Mdz123 Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 10:00 PM)DARK MANE Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 08:09 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: Dark Mane with his sister in 2009, seen at S34/S36. This area was Robson territory at the time so maybe the Majingilanes were actually sired by Stompie and  1eye

Credits: Ahmed Odinia

Yeah, I have also read about a lot of . 
But the mathematics don't go that way. 
In April 2003 two male cubs were born into the Othawa pride. They were sired by the 3 males of the Split Rock coalition (Scar, Tyson & 3rd male) who gave safety and stability. 
In January 2005 thins changed dramatically: The Split Rock males were fighting the Rollercoaster males over months for  dominance of Sparta pride. The Othawa pride was unprotected and on its own. An unknown male took the chance to the lead the pride. Nhlanguleni was first seen in the west around March 2005, he was found in the river mating with one of the Ottawa lionesses, close to Ottawa camp. He was often on his own but started spending more time with one half of the Ottawas after the cubs were born, the other half- 2 lionesses, the 2 young males Stompie and 1eye and a young female stayed away from him. 

The young Othawa males stayed under the protection of their mothers until the arrival of the 6 Mapogo males by beginning of 2006. 

Stompie and 1eye left their natal pride and were now called the Robson males. On September 2006 they tried to take over the Styx pride after killing the pride cubs but failed.
Living as Nomads on the landscape between Sabi sands and Kruger, the Robson boys became great buffalo hunters. Over years they will stay the silent hunters and visitors of rival male areas, especially the Mapogos, but they avoided to confront them.
In mid 2010 they risked one last try to take-over the eastern parts of Sabi Sands. They were beaten and injured by Kinky Tail and Mr. T and they have been expelled into Kruger. 

So on serious note, both the robson males were in SS only, until mid 2010.They rarely goes to KNP. 


Also, the most important point is majingis were born in start 2005, ( one or two may be in late 2004 also, especially the largest one, that was killed by KT and Mr T).But let's play safe and consider them all 2005 born.
HOW THE HELL ON EARTH TWO TEENS MALES ( NOT EVEN TWO YEARS OLD), MANAGE TO GET GIRLS FOR THEMSELVES, WHEN SPLIT ROCK, ROLLER COASTER AND MAPOGOS ALL WERE IN LINE??
ALSO WHEN THEY WERE STILL WITH THEIR NATAL PRIDE. HOW DO THEY MANAGE TO GO KNP? 
NOT EVEN 2, HOW TWO SUBS MANAGE TO DEFEAT THE RULING COALITION?? 
AND I AM NOT EVEN COUNTING THE 3-4 MONTHS GESTATION PERIOD. 

SIMPLE MATHEMATICS IS NOT ALLOING THIS THEORY. 
I AM NOT BUYING IT
IT'S CLEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. 



 

I see that you based off your information from the Youtube video about Robson males, but I have information from the owner of the picture, which is much more trustworthy than info from Youtube.

According to the person who took the photo, Ahmed Odinia, Majingilanes were fathered by Robson males, and he is 100% sure about it.

He told me that the Majingilane males were born into Mantimahle Dam pride in 2006/7. This lioness is one of the mothers of Majingilanes. She is a legendary female, she was born in 1999 and lived until the Mantimahle males takeover 2016.

Quote:In April 2003 two male cubs were born into the Othawa pride. They were sired by the 3 males of the Split Rock coalition (Scar, Tyson & 3rd male) who gave safety and stability

He said that the Robsons were actually born in 2002. 

Quote:So on serious note, both the robson males were in SS only, until mid 2010.They rarely goes to KNP

The Robson males left SS in April/May 2006. And then they spent most of their time in Kruger, rarely coming back to the SS.

Quote:In mid 2010 they risked one last try to take-over the eastern parts of Sabi Sands. They were beaten and injured by Kinky Tail and Mr. T and they have been expelled into Kruger.”

This was only a brief return to the SS, they simply saw the opportunity but were defeated by the 2 Mapogos.

Quote:Also, the most important point is majingis were born in start 2005, ( one or two may be in late 2004 also, especially the largest one, that was killed by KT and Mr T).But let's play safe and consider them all 2005 born.

They were actually born in 2006/07, around the same time as Matimba males. And Hip Scar was actually the oldest of them, here is he in mid 2007 (right) as a 1 year old, compared to him in 2010 (left)

To add on to the many proofs I have already given, Hip Scar significantly resembles 1eye, here is them side by side:

In summary, most of things you said were wrong, according to Ahmed. Robsons were born in 2002, and left SS in 2006. Same year they took over Mantimahle Dam pride and sired the 5 Majngilanes. They left the pride in 2009.
In 2010 Robsons try takeover over Mapogo territory but were defeated. Same year Majingilanes killed Kinky Tail and took over Eastern SS. All the rest you know what happened.

I hope these proofs are enough to change your mind.

(02-07-2022, 05:38 AM)DARK MANE Wrote:

(02-07-2022, 12:54 AM)Mdz123 Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 10:00 PM)DARK MANE Wrote:

(02-06-2022, 08:09 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: Dark Mane with his sister in 2009, seen at S34/S36. This area was Robson territory at the time so maybe the Majingilanes were actually sired by Stompie and  1eye

Credits: Ahmed Odinia

Yeah, I have also read about a lot of . 
But the mathematics don't go that way. 
In April 2003 two male cubs were born into the Othawa pride. They were sired by the 3 males of the Split Rock coalition (Scar, Tyson & 3rd male) who gave safety and stability. 
In January 2005 thins changed dramatically: The Split Rock males were fighting the Rollercoaster males over months for  dominance of Sparta pride. The Othawa pride was unprotected and on its own. An unknown male took the chance to the lead the pride. Nhlanguleni was first seen in the west around March 2005, he was found in the river mating with one of the Ottawa lionesses, close to Ottawa camp. He was often on his own but started spending more time with one half of the Ottawas after the cubs were born, the other half- 2 lionesses, the 2 young males Stompie and 1eye and a young female stayed away from him. 

The young Othawa males stayed under the protection of their mothers until the arrival of the 6 Mapogo males by beginning of 2006. 

Stompie and 1eye left their natal pride and were now called the Robson males. On September 2006 they tried to take over the Styx pride after killing the pride cubs but failed.
Living as Nomads on the landscape between Sabi sands and Kruger, the Robson boys became great buffalo hunters. Over years they will stay the silent hunters and visitors of rival male areas, especially the Mapogos, but they avoided to confront them.
In mid 2010 they risked one last try to take-over the eastern parts of Sabi Sands. They were beaten and injured by Kinky Tail and Mr. T and they have been expelled into Kruger. 

So on serious note, both the robson males were in SS only, until mid 2010.They rarely goes to KNP. 


Also, the most important point is majingis were born in start 2005, ( one or two may be in late 2004 also, especially the largest one, that was killed by KT and Mr T).But let's play safe and consider them all 2005 born.
HOW THE HELL ON EARTH TWO TEENS MALES ( NOT EVEN TWO YEARS OLD), MANAGE TO GET GIRLS FOR THEMSELVES, WHEN SPLIT ROCK, ROLLER COASTER AND MAPOGOS ALL WERE IN LINE??
ALSO WHEN THEY WERE STILL WITH THEIR NATAL PRIDE. HOW DO THEY MANAGE TO GO KNP? 
NOT EVEN 2, HOW TWO SUBS MANAGE TO DEFEAT THE RULING COALITION?? 
AND I AM NOT EVEN COUNTING THE 3-4 MONTHS GESTATION PERIOD. 

SIMPLE MATHEMATICS IS NOT ALLOING THIS THEORY. 
I AM NOT BUYING IT
IT'S CLEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. 



 

I see that you based off your information from the Youtube video about Robson males, but I have information from the owner of the picture, which is much more trustworthy than info from Youtube.

According to the person who took the photo, Ahmed Odinia, Majingilanes were fathered by Robson males, and he is 100% sure about it.

He told me that the Majingilane males were born into Mantimahle Dam pride in 2006/7. This lioness is one of the mothers of Majingilanes. She is a legendary female, she was born in 1999 and lived until the Mantimahle males takeover 2016.

Quote:In April 2003 two male cubs were born into the Othawa pride. They were sired by the 3 males of the Split Rock coalition (Scar, Tyson & 3rd male) who gave safety and stability

He said that the Robsons were actually born in 2002. 

Quote:So on serious note, both the robson males were in SS only, until mid 2010.They rarely goes to KNP

The Robson males left SS in April/May 2006. And then they spent most of their time in Kruger, rarely coming back to the SS.

Quote:In mid 2010 they risked one last try to take-over the eastern parts of Sabi Sands. They were beaten and injured by Kinky Tail and Mr. T and they have been expelled into Kruger.”

This was only a brief return to the SS, they simply saw the opportunity but were defeated by the 2 Mapogos.

Quote:Also, the most important point is majingis were born in start 2005, ( one or two may be in late 2004 also, especially the largest one, that was killed by KT and Mr T).But let's play safe and consider them all 2005 born.

They were actually born in 2006/07, around the same time as Matimba males. And Hip Scar was actually the oldest of them, here is he in mid 2007 (right) as a 1 year old, compared to him in 2010 (left)

To add on to the many proofs I have already given, Hip Scar significantly resembles 1eye, here is them side by side:

In summary, most of things you said were wrong, according to Ahmed. Robsons were born in 2002, and left SS in 2006. Same year they took over Mantimahle Dam pride and sired the 5 Majngilanes. They left the pride in 2009.
In 2010 Robsons try takeover over Mapogo territory but were defeated. Same year Majingilanes killed Kinky Tail and took over Eastern SS. All the rest you know what happened.

I hope these proofs are enough to change your mind.

Ready to believe whatever you say sir. 
Proof shown by u are sounding great. 
No doubt, you seems to be older lion fan. 
Robson males were born in 2002 instead of 2003, I agree. 
Lioness of 1992-1999 pic, might be possible. 
You have shared some pics of majingis resembling to robson males, I buy it. 

But still sir, the basic component of mathematics is not satisfied. 
And that is known as AGE. 
And the best part is the difference is of atleast 2 yrs ( not 4-5 months, that gonna settle ) 
Lemme explain how... 
U basically mean to say that if the robson males were born in 2002 ( which is good), and left SS in 2006 mid (good till here), and claim the mantimahle dam lionesses ( which also seems fine, in massai mara i have seen many a times, a 4-4.5 yrs old coalition taking charge of a pride), and i am assuming that they spent just one or two months to woo the girls ( which generally takes atleast 6 months, I just considering the robson males were so dashing that girls fell for them) , so the eldest of the majingis was born in very early of 2007 . Agree sir. 
Am I making sense to u sir. 
You r also saying the same through the pic of hipscar ( of oct 2007, in which he seems to be 8-9 months old). 


NOW AT THIS VERY MOMENT THE PROBLEM STARTS. 
SO U MEAN TO SAY THAT IN JULY 2010 , WHEN KINKY TAIL WAS RIPPED APART, WAS EATEN ALIVE, WAS KILLED by 4 lions, eldest of them was JUST 3.5 YRS OLD. 
NOW PROBLEM NO. 1 IS, (YEAH I KNOW GROWTH OF LIONS VARIES, IN MASSAI MARA I HAVE SEEN THAT AT THE AGE OF 4-4.5 LIINS LOOKS LIKE A FULLY ADULT ONE.) I just now watched the video of that night when KT was killed. By no means sir, those 4 we're sounding 3.5 yrs old. I know growth in lions varies, it has difference, but that MUCH DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!!. For ex. Our eldest of kambulas subs are 3.5 yrs. Then they seems to be very malnutrition, house cats, pussy cats in front of 3.5 yrs old majingis????. How u gonna explain it? 

PROBLEM NO. 2, SO u mean sir, on that night four 3.5 yrs old ( or may be younger), manage to killed THE GREAT KT and chase off BEAST OF THE BEAST MR T. 
NOW u think yourself sir, what r u saying. 
Who gonna buy it?? 
By that logic sir, MOHAWK AVOCA IS THE FIEREST, GREATEST LION EVER WALKED ON THIS PLANET. HE HAD managed to steal food from 6 or may be 8 or may be 12 kambula subadults ( we all have seen that) . 
2 SPILT ROCK males of age 11 yrsmanage to chase off 7 yrs old makhulu, three 5 yrs old mapogo and two 3.5 yrs old mapogo in 2005 many a times. 
First of all they were not 3.5 yrs old in 2010, if if they were, HOW IN EARTH WERE THEY ABLE TO CHASE OFF 8.5 YRS old MRT, AND KILLED, RIPPED APART, EATEN ALIVE 8.5 YRS OLD KT. 

PROBLEM NO. 3, So basically, u mean to say that it tooks 2 beast of the beast , KT and MRT, to kill the fifth majingis ( on the very same day, if u remember sir),and both of them were also got injured too in the fight. 
HOW ON EARTH A 3.5 YRS OLD PUSSY able to injured 2 BEAST OF THE BEASTS. 

PROBLEM NO. 4, In all the videos that in majingis vs selatis, when they were 4 vs 4 fight, majingis were able to crush them, outsmart them every single time. 
By your logic sir, if majingis were born in early 2007 and selatis were born in late 2007,so majingis shud have age adv. of merely 8-9 months, or max. 10 months. THEN HOW ON EARTH THEY MANAGE TO KILL ATLEAST TWO OF THE SELATIS, WE ALL KNOW THAT SELATIS WERE NOT PUSSIES, THEY ALSO HAVE KILLED MRT WHICH MEANS THEY ALSO WERE BRAVE. 
THE TRUTH IS IS WHENEVER THERE WAS SKIRMISH BETWEEN MAJINGIS AND SELATIS, MAJINGIS GOT THE ADVANTAGE OF THE AGE DIFFERENCE , not by 8-9-10 months, but of 2.5 yrs. SO IN 2012-13 &13-14 , WHEN MOST OF THE SKIRMISHES TAKES PLACE , SELATIS WERE 4.5-5.5 YRS OLD, BUT MAJINGIS WERE 7-8 YRS OLD ( in their prime). That why they proved winner and that much lethal. 

PROBLEM NO. 5, so by your logic sir, by march 2018, when 3 majngis down one by one, they shud be at max 11 yrs old. I have read many reports, have watched almost all videos related to majingis, ALL OF THEM CLEARLY SAYS THAT MAJINGIS WERE ATLEAST 13 YRS OLD AND DARKMANE CUD BE 13.5 OR MAY BE 14 YRS OLD BY HIS DEATH. 
how u gonna explain it. 

PROBLEM NO. 6.BY your logic sir, if majingis were born in early 2007, so by mid 2009 they were 2.5 yrs old and became nomad. 
You know naa sir, fourway pride is basically a breakaway of windmill pride. And the dark mane fourway ( darkmane jr.)and blonde fourway were born in early 2010( majingis sons) 
SO HOW ON EARTH, 5 LIONS ( ELDEST OF THEM IS 3 YRS OLD) , FATHERED 2 lion's, protect the pride too. 
Ohhhhhhhhhh, sorry, I forgot to count 4 months gestation period too. 
SO BASICALLY HAVE WE EVER HEARD 2.5 YRS OLD LION BECOMES THAT MUCH SEXUALLY ACTIVE THAT HE PREGNANTS A GIRL. 
AGAIN, I AM NOT GONNA BUY IT. 

THERE CUD BE OTHER PROBLEMS ALSO, BUT FOR NOW ONLY, I CAN RECOLLECT THIS MUCH ONLY. 

Sir, as I say, councidence happens. But they didn't occurs everytime.
Now in all the problems that I ynderlined above, just change the 3.5 yrs old majingis with 5.25-5.5 yrs old and you see, u will get the solution of All 6 problems.


All the 6 problems I address above are legal and completely DEMOLISH THE THEORY THAT MAJINGIS WERE SONS OF STOMPIE AND ONE EYE. 



I REST MY CASE HERE.

(02-08-2022, 01:10 AM)Brahimlegend Wrote: Kinkytail Lubyelubye & S36 male.
Today on H1-1, 3km S of Skukuza Camp
Credit: Cheryl Clarke & Adam Zimmerman

(02-09-2022, 05:24 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: 5 males lions together, seen recently
Trichardt males?

(02-09-2022, 09:02 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(02-09-2022, 05:24 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: 5 males lions together, seen recently
Trichardt males?

No, first picture is Kruger male (Tattered Ear), 2nd 2 are Ross males.

(02-10-2022, 01:43 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Looks like the information from the owner of the photos is wrong. Btw he also took these portraits, who are they?