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RE: The Birmingham Males - Tshokwane - 05-18-2018
Credits to Guy Brunskill - Londolozi.
The Birmingham males now seem to be firmly established as the dominant male coalition on Londolozi, despite not really venturing into the northern sectors of the reserve yet. Although other males are seen from time to time around the periphery of their territory, they are essentially going to be settling for the Birmingham males’ scraps.
One of the Birmingham males stopped only meters away from my vehicle and locked eyes with a female which was approaching him, only moments after he had been mating with one of the other females.
*This image is copyright of its original author
The Ntsevu females give way to a herd of elephants emerging from a thicket. Three Birmingham males meanwhile pause to investigate where one of the females had urinated, to see if she is in oestrus or not.
*This image is copyright of its original author
Eventually, with the elephants getting too close for comfort, the males were also forced to retreat.
*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: The Birmingham Males - Michael - 05-18-2018
(05-18-2018, 04:04 PM)Tshokwane Wrote: Credits to Guy Brunskill - Londolozi.There is something about photos with lions and elephant in the same shot that always feels quintessential, that last photo is great not the best light but still
The Birmingham males now seem to be firmly established as the dominant male coalition on Londolozi, despite not really venturing into the northern sectors of the reserve yet. Although other males are seen from time to time around the periphery of their territory, they are essentially going to be settling for the Birmingham males’ scraps.
One of the Birmingham males stopped only meters away from my vehicle and locked eyes with a female which was approaching him, only moments after he had been mating with one of the other females.
*This image is copyright of its original author
The Ntsevu females give way to a herd of elephants emerging from a thicket. Three Birmingham males meanwhile pause to investigate where one of the females had urinated, to see if she is in oestrus or not.
*This image is copyright of its original author
Eventually, with the elephants getting too close for comfort, the males were also forced to retreat.
*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: The Birmingham Males - Tshokwane - 05-19-2018
Credits to Reggi Barreto.
Now this is the bush wake up call, roaring lions in the cold crisp winter morning.
Male #3.
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RE: The Birmingham Males - Gamiz - 05-22-2018
Birmingham Nhenha & Ntsevu Lioness - Londolozi Blog
21 May 2018
By Anthony Goldman
An Ntsevu lioness and one of the Birmingham males stand side-by-side, presenting the illusion of a united front. In reality these lionesses and males have been bouncing between one another, with barely a day going by without a new combination of mating pair being found on Londolozi. Having never watched other lionesses raising cubs successfully, and having failed on their first few tries, there are shadows of doubt cast over these females’ ability to raise litters through to independence.
*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: The Birmingham Males - Tshokwane - 05-23-2018
Credits to ranger Mike Tilley - MalaMala.
5 lionesses from the Kambula pride and a Gowrie male were seen hunting impala at the base of Stwise and a second Gowrie male was viewed along the lower reaches of the Mlowathi River.
Male #3.
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RE: The Birmingham Males - swtlei4u - 05-23-2018
(05-22-2018, 10:16 AM)Gamiz Wrote: Birmingham Nhenha & Ntsevu Lioness - Londolozi Blog
21 May 2018
By Anthony Goldman
An Ntsevu lioness and one of the Birmingham males stand side-by-side, presenting the illusion of a united front. In reality these lionesses and males have been bouncing between one another, with barely a day going by without a new combination of mating pair being found on Londolozi. Having never watched other lionesses raising cubs successfully, and having failed on their first few tries, there are shadows of doubt cast over these females’ ability to raise litters through to independence.
*This image is copyright of its original author
the problem i see with this lion pride is their mothers never showed them how to raise cubs because they never learned because their mothers the tsalala's never showed them. the other problem is the instability of male coalition right now. if the matshapiri males didn't dissolve, i think they would have a better chance in raising cubs.
RE: The Birmingham Males - T Rabbit - 05-23-2018
It confirm what i said some months ago that the kambulas are the worse mothers of sabi sands. Some of them should have made it. But all of them failed. Come on, tailles bb created all mhangenis alone with no one help of males and with the dangerous majingilanes walking around. She was the best mama of africa.
RE: The Birmingham Males - swtlei4u - 05-23-2018
(05-23-2018, 09:20 AM)T Rabbit Wrote: It confirm what i said some months ago that the kambulas are the worse mothers of sabi sands. Some of them should have made it. But all of them failed. Come on, tailles bb created all mhangenis alone with no one help of males and with the dangerous majingilanes walking around. She was the best mama of africa.
yes but bb was an experienced old lioness who has raised her litter and also lost some litter too!
RE: The Birmingham Males - Tshokwane - 05-23-2018
(05-23-2018, 09:20 AM)T Rabbit Wrote: It confirm what i said some months ago that the kambulas are the worse mothers of sabi sands. Some of them should have made it. But all of them failed.
Without the help of a well established coalition, lionesses can't protect their litters, no matter how tough they are.
Add to that that the Kambula girls are very, very young females, which equals to inexperienced.
That might not mean much, but it is. It's what allows, older females that have raised litter after litter, like the Tsalala female you mention, to know what to do, how to handle rival males.
A lioness needs to at least have raised litter/s already(and lose some) under a coalition to then be able to "know" what to do.
The girls can't be judged for simply not being able to fend off new males, that is not their job, no matter what stupid feminists say.
RE: The Birmingham Males - Spalea - 05-23-2018
(05-23-2018, 09:20 AM)T Rabbit Wrote: It confirm what i said some months ago that the kambulas are the worse mothers of sabi sands. Some of them should have made it. But all of them failed. Come on, tailles bb created all mhangenis alone with no one help of males and with the dangerous majingilanes walking around. She was the best mama of africa.
Calm ! You aren't a judge or a god distributing some good or bad points to the lionesses. Like it was been told Kambulas lionesses were joung and inexperimented and lionnesses too have to learnt to become a good mother.
Among mammalian predators, the cubs need an education to become an efficient hunter, and in return the adults also need to learn in order to become accomplished parents.
RE: The Birmingham Males - T Rabbit - 05-23-2018
The kambulas are crazy. Most of their cubs died with no take over. They are probably not allow the cubs suck their milk. I think they lost 2 generations of cubs with the matshapiri, one with matimba, one with majingilane and one with the bboys. Such a waste. They probably don't have mother instinct yet cause nobody teach a lioness how to nurse cubs. Nobody teach the mhangenis how to nurse cubs. But they did it.
RE: The Birmingham Males - T Rabbit - 05-23-2018
Tshokwane come on, the problem of kambulas are not take over. Most part of the cubs were not killed by males. They just abandoned their little ones. I remember when the kambulas abandoned the matimbas and their cubs with no reason and go to matshapiri area. Ginger did not understand nothing of it cause there was no threat. And they did the same with matshapiris. The majingilanes not killed any kambulas cub, matshapiri also not and bboys probably not too. The kambulas are only mating and mating and throwing the cubs to death by starving or hyenas.
Lionesses are not lazy humans women that like to put the men to feed their offspring. Male lions don't take care of cubs. Never. They just patrol their area . they not choose and hidden cubs in a den, lick them and walk with cubs. And they not hunt to feed cubs. Nurse cubs is a female issue in lions species and all world species.
But feminists would love to believe in the myth that females choose the dark mane of the males.
RE: The Birmingham Males - Tshokwane - 05-23-2018
That I'm aware of, the Matsahapiri males did the killing of the Kambula's first cubs after the Matimba males chose to leave the area without a second fight. It wasn't a thing of the girls, the Matimbas just left.
Then, when the mohawk Matshapiri got injured and eventually died and the blonde male was left alone, the Avoca males came in and between them and then the Birmingham males, they killed the second set of cubs of the Kambulas. How could the girls avoid that?
It's something that has been clearly recorded in MalaMala's daily updates and also from Londolozi, there was no mention that they "just abandoned" the cubs.
So, let's not get it twisted.
Now, they have a new opportunity with the Birminghams, so let's hope they can make it better this time, plus the boys will take better care of them.
RE: The Birmingham Males - vinodkumarn - 05-23-2018
(05-23-2018, 08:43 PM)Tshokwane Wrote: That I'm aware of, the Matsahapiri males did the killing of the Kambula's first cubs after the Matimba males chose to leave the area without a second fight. It wasn't a thing of the girls, the Matimbas just left.
Then, when the mohawk Matshapiri got injured and eventually died and the blonde male was left alone, the Avoca males came in and between them and then the Birmingham males, they killed the second set of cubs of the Kambulas. How could the girls avoid that?
It's something that has been clearly recorded in MalaMala's daily updates and also from Londolozi, there was no mention that they "just abandoned" the cubs.
So, let's not get it twisted.
Now, they have a new opportunity with the Birminghams, so let's hope they can make it better this time, plus the boys will take better care of them.
The first litter lost to either Matshapiris and may eb a litter to floods
One litter Avocas killed
We don't know who killed recent litters..
May be BBoys...
Even Mhangenis lost their first litter due to inexperience.. The current 9 were born after couple of females lost their first litter.
RE: The Birmingham Males - Michael - 05-24-2018
(05-23-2018, 08:43 PM)Tshokwane Wrote: That I'm aware of, the Matsahapiri males did the killing of the Kambula's first cubs after the Matimba males chose to leave the area without a second fight. It wasn't a thing of the girls, the Matimbas just left.All that is true but there were also accounts of lionesses killing each others cubs and they already lost litters while the BB's were controling the pride so the jury is still out, let's see how things evolve and we will be able to tell for sure if it's just inexperience or inability to raise cubs.
Then, when the mohawk Matshapiri got injured and eventually died and the blonde male was left alone, the Avoca males came in and between them and then the Birmingham males, they killed the second set of cubs of the Kambulas. How could the girls avoid that?
It's something that has been clearly recorded in MalaMala's daily updates and also from Londolozi, there was no mention that they "just abandoned" the cubs.
So, let's not get it twisted.
Now, they have a new opportunity with the Birminghams, so let's hope they can make it better this time, plus the boys will take better care of them.