(03-27-2017, 07:08 AM)tigerluver Wrote: @epaiva , No complete skull, but a nearly complete cranium and some mandibles.

The cranium is unimpressive by prehistoric cat terms. It is about 380-390 mm complete (which is on the large side for a modern tiger but not exceptional) and relatively thin for a tiger, though not out of range. Here's the vK cranium (the one on the far right; the mandible in the picture does not belong to the cranium):

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The estimated size is based on a 480 mm femur. 

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The Ngandong femur, as well as the humerus which is of a smaller specimen, are very robust for a tiger and a pantherine in general. When just account for length, the Ngandong specimen would be around 400 kg if we take isometry (general equation is (fossil specimen/extant specimen)^3*weight extant specimen = weight fossil specimen assuming equal proportions) with the wild specimen I modeled above who would've weighed around 240 kg. When we take into account the add robusticity, the 450+ kg range for this specimen is rational. 

I'm working on showing osteological comparisons of extinct giants and their contemporaries which will show similar comparisons as above.

(08-09-2015, 11:39 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:

(08-04-2015, 10:57 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: A 17 inches fossilized skull of the Barbary lion, and I think we might re-evaluate the size of this animal, since it looks as large as the Cave lion.

http://www.dinolandplus.com/animal-index/view/category/lions

@peter @tigerluver @Majingilane

The measurements are incorrect, check that the "17 inches" length was taken over the curve of the skull, not in a straight line like the measurements of Zoologists like Pocock or Mazák, among others:

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This is NOT how a skull most be measured. So, the 17 inches size is unreliable and an exaggeration of the salesman and the "Dinoland Plus" webpage.

Check also this: "WOW Unbelievable Entire Barbary Coast Early Unknown Extinct Lion Huge Skull 17” Long x 9.5” wide."

How is possible that a skull with a greatest length of 432 mm could have a wide of only 241 mm??? The largest modern lion skull ever reported measured 17 inches (432 mm) in length had a wide of 11 1/16 inches (281 mm), quoted from Rowland Ward (1914).

So, in conclusion, this skull is incorrectly measured, and as we can see, the size seems just a copy-paste from the report of the giant lion of Rowland Ward, which by the way, was not corroborated by him and is only a "owner's measurement" and is not quoted like record in scientific files.

This "Dinoland Plus" page data is 100% inaccurate in the size issue and only hence the myth of the "giant" Barbary lions, which in fact were no larger than the East African population.

(03-28-2017, 06:08 AM)epaiva Wrote: @GrizzlyClaws

He is the same person that measured this Skull

(03-28-2017, 06:48 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:

(03-28-2017, 06:08 AM)epaiva Wrote: @GrizzlyClaws

He is the same person that measured this Skull

And what is the exact measurement of that fossilized Barbary lion skull?

(04-11-2017, 09:40 PM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: @epaiva

The largest leopard canine tooth I known was about 10 cm long, so do you think it could even belong to a larger skull?