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RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - tigerluver - 03-20-2019
So looks like we've caught tampering at the minimum and at the worst a counterfeit.
To summarize the red flags:
1. The color. Javanese fossils are generally not a polished black. River fossils can get this texture but the rivers of Java are sand-based, thus we get a brown color like in the Ngandong tiger. In the Stegodon teeth I've seen to be claimed from Java that are glazed black, there are still a lot of reddish-rusty hues.
2. The ridge at the crown-root junction is not the usual, especially in tigers.
3. The texture of the root is unusual. While there is a texture difference between the crown and root, here it looks too different.
4. Note the inner curve of the canine (posterior side). The tooth almost pinches off and flattens, which is quite unusual. Almost like plastic or resin. Around this same line where the material pinches and flatten it almost (or simply) looks like there's a seam (especially in the first photo with the canines in the seller's hand).
5. Finding a pair of lower canines without any other remains is just next to impossible in terms of probability. For both canines to fall out then be found in the same place thousands of years later too many things would need to fall into place.
Overall the pieces look too polished (as @phatio mentioned) or even resin/plastic.
RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - GrizzlyClaws - 03-20-2019
(03-20-2019, 09:47 PM)tigerluver Wrote: So looks like we've caught tampering at the minimum and at the worst a counterfeit.
To summarize the red flags:
1. The color. Javanese fossils are generally not a polished black. River fossils can get this texture but the rivers of Java are sand-based, thus we get a brown color like in the Ngandong tiger. In the Stegodon teeth I've seen to be claimed from Java that are glazed black, there are still a lot of reddish-rusty hues.
2. The ridge at the crown-root junction is not the usual, especially in tigers.
3. The texture of the root is unusual. While there is a texture difference between the crown and root, here it looks too different.
4. Note the inner curve of the canine (posterior side). The tooth almost pinches off and flattens, which is quite unusual. Almost like plastic or resin. Around this same line where the material pinches and flatten it almost (or simply) looks like there's a seam (especially in the first photo with the canines in the seller's hand).
5. Finding a pair of lower canines without any other remains is just next to impossible in terms of probability. For both canines to fall out then be found in the same place thousands of years later too many things would need to fall into place.
Overall the pieces look too polished (as @phatio mentioned) or even resin/plastic.
Here is a Ngandong tiger upper canine tooth from another private collector, and I guess it practically matches your description of being polished black, but also it should be found at the bottom of the river with some brownish hue.
I guess those skilled collectors knew how to properly break the canine teeth off its jaw without creating any fissure.
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RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - ET8888 - 03-27-2019
(10-31-2015, 01:33 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: South China tiger, an old male that probably dated from 50-100 years ago.What a amazing fang...
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RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - ET8888 - 03-27-2019
(02-25-2016, 12:19 PM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: Siberian Cave lionCan any body tell me, why is this lion fang is black??
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RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - GrizzlyClaws - 03-27-2019
(03-27-2019, 07:55 AM)ET8888 Wrote:(02-25-2016, 12:19 PM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: Siberian Cave lionCan any body tell me, why is this lion fang is black??
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Because it is a fossil.
RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - GrizzlyClaws - 07-05-2019
Indochinese tiger
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RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - s3iji - 07-21-2019
Hi all, I just got a tiger canine form a Malaysian friend. I didn't bought it, it's just a present for me. But I don't know if it's real or counterfeit one. Could someone help me to determine it? Thank you...
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RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - sanjay - 07-21-2019
Welcome to the forum @s3iji .
@GrizzlyClaws is the man for this.. wait for his response
RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - GrizzlyClaws - 07-21-2019
(07-21-2019, 05:32 PM)s3iji Wrote: Hi all, I just got a tiger canine form a Malaysian friend. I didn't bought it, it's just a present for me. But I don't know if it's real or counterfeit one. Could someone help me to determine it? Thank you...
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Counterfeit product, since the coloration and texture look unnaturally polished, and it should be made of resin.
RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - s3iji - 07-22-2019
Ah, it's a counterfeit one, i see... I'm not lucky then, LOL. By the way, thank you for the answer.
RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - Jaykash - 08-10-2019
Hi can somebody please tell em whether this is a tiger claw or tooth. If it’s not can you tell me if it’s from another animal or is it a reproduction? Thanks
RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - Betty - 08-10-2019
Tiger
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RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - Betty - 08-10-2019
Tiger
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RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - GrizzlyClaws - 08-10-2019
(08-10-2019, 02:47 AM)Jaykash Wrote: Hi can somebody please tell em whether this is a tiger claw or tooth. If it’s not can you tell me if it’s from another animal or is it a reproduction? Thanks
Look like the tusk of the wild boar.
RE: Big Cat's Canines and Claws - JanNgoi1992 - 08-10-2019
Hi I’m newbie here...can anyone know what’s species tiger canine teeth in this photo?