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RE: The mighty Mapogos - brotherbear - 01-01-2017
I will leave this matter in the hands of Majingilane and Ngala; but your argument remains totally ridiculous considering that you are all lion enthusiasts. Lions are natural-born warriors. They "live and die by the sword."
Polar and I are both bear enthusiasts. His favorite is the polar bear while mine is the grizzly. Rather than throw mud at each other, I requested that he co-moderate the bear section. Just post good information and interesting pictures and stop with the juvenile cat-fighting. Your information and pictures should speak for themselves.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Georgel - 01-01-2017
(01-01-2017, 08:31 PM)HouseOfLions Wrote:(01-01-2017, 07:31 PM)brotherbear Wrote: I consider such a worry as totally unwarranted. Consider The Lions of sabi sands, The Lions of Timbavati, The Chraleston Males, The Birmingham Males, or The Congo Lion. Not one of them are referred to as being 'Mighty'. I consider the title 'Mighty Mapogos' as being equally as respectful as 'History most brutal Killers'. Remember that you are all lion enthusiasts. To be arguing over something as trivial as this is just ridiculous.
Well that is fine because it is your opinion but I don't consider "mighty" as the same as "History most brutal killers", that name is too excessive and outright biased. You can change the name of the BB, Chraleston Males, etc to "might" or "awesome" and it will be fine but calling a coalition "History most brutal killers" is very excessive, especially if they aren't "Histories most brutal killer".. I don't have to tell you this as (as it seems you know your lions) but the manginjis don't rightfully deserve that name, the Mapogos do.
I am fine with the "Mighty Mapogo" name but I am not fine with a blatant lie and over exaggeration of the Manginjis. Why not call them "might" as well or "smart", or "awesome", "history most brutal killers" is a very high honor, it's like comparing a honors degree to a Phd, they are not the same. Given Mapogos track record of violence, brutality and power, they should deserve this honor. I am still fine with this threads name (even though it is underwhelming) but the Manginjis thread name is biased beyond belief. I am not saying the Manginjis are not special, when they killed KT, I respected them for that, as they did that with power and brutality but just because of that, people believe they deserve that title (Because killing King KT was what put them on the map). They don't! I will give them the honor of calling them the "most tactical/smartest lions of the Sabi" but the title of the "History most brutal killer" still belongs with the Mapogos.
The killing of KT by the Majingilanes is one of the most controversial part of the Mapogos' story. (In fact, the missing of Mr. T for 15 minute is hardly explained. Not for lion "experts", of course. For ignorant people like me.) I've made a lot of research about this and I can tell you that there is no "tactics" behind. This is a myth perpetuated by some with the clear intention to hide the facts or their ignorance about the event. Read the rangers reports, especially those written by Peter Rundle and Karin van der Merwe. None of them mention the "tactics" or the "smartness" of the Majingilanes cause such things simply don't exist.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - HouseOfLions - 01-01-2017
(01-01-2017, 08:43 PM)brotherbear Wrote: I will leave this matter in the hands of Majingilane and Ngala; but your argument remains totally ridiculous considering that you are all lion enthusiasts. Lions are natural-born warriors. They "live and die by the sword."
Polar and I are both bear enthusiasts. His favorite is the polar bear while mine is the grizzly. Rather than throw mud at each other, I requested that he co-moderate the bear section. Just post good information and interesting pictures and stop with the juvenile cat-fighting. Your information and pictures should speak for themselves.
Sir, you are absolutely right and I am sorry. As you can see from my previous comments, I never disrespected any lion or any coalition. I merely just inquired about the bias towards the Majingilane and the over-exaggerated honor given to them, even though we all, as you said, are lion enthusiast. Why try to elevate one coalition above others and doing so by distorting information?
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Tshokwane - 01-01-2017
(01-01-2017, 09:02 PM)HouseOfLions Wrote: I merely just inquired about the bias towards the Majingilane and the over-exaggerated honor given to them, even though we all, as you said, are lion enthusiast. Why try to elevate one coalition above others and doing so by distorting information?
Only 5 replies, and the five repeat the same thing, which has already been answered.
No one is distorting information, and the name has nothing to do with "elevating" any coalition.
So please, do us a favour and leave this subject aside.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - HouseOfLions - 01-01-2017
(01-01-2017, 08:49 PM)Georgel Wrote:(01-01-2017, 08:31 PM)HouseOfLions Wrote:(01-01-2017, 07:31 PM)brotherbear Wrote: I consider such a worry as totally unwarranted. Consider The Lions of sabi sands, The Lions of Timbavati, The Chraleston Males, The Birmingham Males, or The Congo Lion. Not one of them are referred to as being 'Mighty'. I consider the title 'Mighty Mapogos' as being equally as respectful as 'History most brutal Killers'. Remember that you are all lion enthusiasts. To be arguing over something as trivial as this is just ridiculous.
Well that is fine because it is your opinion but I don't consider "mighty" as the same as "History most brutal killers", that name is too excessive and outright biased. You can change the name of the BB, Chraleston Males, etc to "might" or "awesome" and it will be fine but calling a coalition "History most brutal killers" is very excessive, especially if they aren't "Histories most brutal killer".. I don't have to tell you this as (as it seems you know your lions) but the manginjis don't rightfully deserve that name, the Mapogos do.
I am fine with the "Mighty Mapogo" name but I am not fine with a blatant lie and over exaggeration of the Manginjis. Why not call them "might" as well or "smart", or "awesome", "history most brutal killers" is a very high honor, it's like comparing a honors degree to a Phd, they are not the same. Given Mapogos track record of violence, brutality and power, they should deserve this honor. I am still fine with this threads name (even though it is underwhelming) but the Manginjis thread name is biased beyond belief. I am not saying the Manginjis are not special, when they killed KT, I respected them for that, as they did that with power and brutality but just because of that, people believe they deserve that title (Because killing King KT was what put them on the map). They don't! I will give them the honor of calling them the "most tactical/smartest lions of the Sabi" but the title of the "History most brutal killer" still belongs with the Mapogos.
The killing of KT by the Majingilanes is one of the most controversial part of the Mapogos' story. (In fact, the missing of Mr. T for 15 minute is hardly explained. Not for lion "experts", of course. For ignorant people like me.) I've made a lot of research about this and I can tell you that there is no "tactics" behind. This is a myth perpetuated by some with the clear intention to hide the facts or their ignorance about the event. Read the rangers reports, especially those written by Peter Rundle and Karin van der Merwe. None of them mention the "tactics" or the "smartness" of the Majingilanes cause such things simply don't exist.
When I said they used tactics/smarts, I meant what they accomplished afterward. When they fought King KT, they were scared and ran with their tail between their legs. King KT died that day due to misfortune (with T not being there at the time) and being in a 4 vs 1 situation. But their fight with the Selati's shows how smart manginjis can be, how they isolate 1 lion and gang up on him in a 4 vs 1 style. And how, if they notice they are at a disadvantage, they back out and regroup, even if the fight is even (1 vs 1/ 2 vs 2).
I know I am describing something/someone that is faint-hearted but I am just trying to be positive and giving credit where it is due. They won a lot of fights and have held on to the sabi for much longer due to these tactics. We have to remember that not every lion can be as brave and violent as the Mapogos, who didn't fear death and just charged into battle. The Mapogos ruled with blood and extreme brutality (and smarts of King Mak) while the manginjis ruled with numbers and tactics.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - fursan syed - 01-01-2017
@HouseOfLions well said
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Georgel - 01-01-2017
(01-01-2017, 09:13 PM)HouseOfLions Wrote: When they fought King KT, they were scared and ran with their tail between their legs. King KT died that day due to misfortune (with T not being there at the time) and being in a 4 vs 1 situation.
When the fight started KT and Mr. T were together. They roared together, and chased the Majingilanes together: this is why they split in two 2 + 2 groups. But somehow Mr. T lost the pace.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Georgel - 01-01-2017
(01-01-2017, 09:13 PM)HouseOfLions Wrote: But their fight with the Selati's shows how smart manginjis can be, how they isolate 1 lion and gang up on him in a 4 vs 1 style. And how, if they notice they are at a disadvantage, they back out and regroup, even if the fight is even (1 vs 1/ 2 vs 2).
I know I am describing something/someone that is faint-hearted but I am just trying to be positive and giving credit where it is due. They won a lot of fights and have held on to the sabi for much longer due to these tactics.
I don't agree with your conclusion, too. The Selatis were brave lions, but the luck wasn't with them. The death of Selati #2 left them in an inferior position. The decisive advantage of the Majingilanes was their number and the fact that they stayed together almost all the time. For this reason I suppose they abandoned pride after pride. (Btw, how many fights they really won? It would be nice if someone who know them well will make a "hit list" in the dedicated thread.)
RE: The mighty Mapogos - HouseOfLions - 01-01-2017
(01-01-2017, 09:34 PM)Georgel Wrote:Dude, I was trying to be discrete. I was referring to the Manginjis there, not the selati. The selati's were brave lions but were taken out due to being ambushed by the Manginjis in a 4 vs 1 situation. And the death of one of the selati due to a buffalo accident was like the nail in the coffin. You still have to give it to the Manginjis, they never separate, always isolate and ambush other lions and never fight unless they have the upper hand.(01-01-2017, 09:13 PM)HouseOfLions Wrote: But their fight with the Selati's shows how smart manginjis can be, how they isolate 1 lion and gang up on him in a 4 vs 1 style. And how, if they notice they are at a disadvantage, they back out and regroup, even if the fight is even (1 vs 1/ 2 vs 2).
I know I am describing something/someone that is faint-hearted but I am just trying to be positive and giving credit where it is due. They won a lot of fights and have held on to the sabi for much longer due to these tactics.
I don't agree with your conclusion, too. The Selatis were brave lions, but the luck wasn't with them. The death of Selati #2 left them in an inferior position. The decisive advantage of the Majingilanes was their number and the fact that they stayed together almost all the time. For this reason I suppose they abandoned pride after pride. (Btw, how many fights they really won? It would be nice if someone who know them well will make a "hit list" in the dedicated thread.)
RE: The mighty Mapogos - HouseOfLions - 01-01-2017
(01-01-2017, 09:23 PM)Georgel Wrote:(01-01-2017, 09:13 PM)HouseOfLions Wrote: When they fought King KT, they were scared and ran with their tail between their legs. King KT died that day due to misfortune (with T not being there at the time) and being in a 4 vs 1 situation.
When the fight started KT and Mr. T were together. They roared together, and chased the Majingilanes together: this is why they split in two 2 + 2 groups. But somehow Mr. T lost the pace.
Thanks for the info but you can't disagree with the fact that kinky and T scared away 4 lions and when he (kinky) was fighting the 2 Manginjis brother, he kinda had the upper hand, before the other Manginjis brother caught up and teamed up on him. Really sad that T wasn't there at the time, what do you think might have happened to slow him down/to lose pace?
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Georgel - 01-01-2017
(01-01-2017, 09:53 PM)HouseOfLions Wrote:(01-01-2017, 09:34 PM)Georgel Wrote:Dude, I was trying to be discrete. I was referring to the Manginjis there, not the selati. The selati's were brave lions but were taken out due to being ambushed by the Manginjis in a 4 vs 1 situation. And the death of one of the selati due to a buffalo accident was like the nail in the coffin. You still have to give it to the Manginjis, they never separate, always isolate and ambush other lions and never fight unless they have the upper hand.(01-01-2017, 09:13 PM)HouseOfLions Wrote: But their fight with the Selati's shows how smart manginjis can be, how they isolate 1 lion and gang up on him in a 4 vs 1 style. And how, if they notice they are at a disadvantage, they back out and regroup, even if the fight is even (1 vs 1/ 2 vs 2).
I know I am describing something/someone that is faint-hearted but I am just trying to be positive and giving credit where it is due. They won a lot of fights and have held on to the sabi for much longer due to these tactics.
I don't agree with your conclusion, too. The Selatis were brave lions, but the luck wasn't with them. The death of Selati #2 left them in an inferior position. The decisive advantage of the Majingilanes was their number and the fact that they stayed together almost all the time. For this reason I suppose they abandoned pride after pride. (Btw, how many fights they really won? It would be nice if someone who know them well will make a "hit list" in the dedicated thread.)
I don't know exactly what I have to give the Majingilanes. The dismiss of the Selatis? This is something obvious, I guess, but the death of Selati #2 helped them a lot in order to achieve it. This is also a fact.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Georgel - 01-01-2017
(01-01-2017, 09:55 PM)HouseOfLions Wrote:(01-01-2017, 09:23 PM)Georgel Wrote:(01-01-2017, 09:13 PM)HouseOfLions Wrote: When they fought King KT, they were scared and ran with their tail between their legs. King KT died that day due to misfortune (with T not being there at the time) and being in a 4 vs 1 situation.
When the fight started KT and Mr. T were together. They roared together, and chased the Majingilanes together: this is why they split in two 2 + 2 groups. But somehow Mr. T lost the pace.
Thanks for the info but you can't disagree with the fact that kinky and T scared away 4 lions and when he (kinky) was fighting the 2 Manginjis brother, he kinda had the upper hand, before the other Manginjis brother caught up and teamed up on him. Really sad that T wasn't there at the time, what do you think might have happened to slow him down/to lose pace?
Have I have disagreed with this?
As I've already told you the missing of Mr. T for 15 minutes from the fight is one of the greatest mystery in Mopogos' history. I don't have an answer, and I'm afraid nobody has it.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - vinodkumarn - 01-01-2017
(01-01-2017, 11:10 PM)Georgel Wrote:(01-01-2017, 09:55 PM)HouseOfLions Wrote:(01-01-2017, 09:23 PM)Georgel Wrote:(01-01-2017, 09:13 PM)HouseOfLions Wrote: When they fought King KT, they were scared and ran with their tail between their legs. King KT died that day due to misfortune (with T not being there at the time) and being in a 4 vs 1 situation.
When the fight started KT and Mr. T were together. They roared together, and chased the Majingilanes together: this is why they split in two 2 + 2 groups. But somehow Mr. T lost the pace.
Thanks for the info but you can't disagree with the fact that kinky and T scared away 4 lions and when he (kinky) was fighting the 2 Manginjis brother, he kinda had the upper hand, before the other Manginjis brother caught up and teamed up on him. Really sad that T wasn't there at the time, what do you think might have happened to slow him down/to lose pace?
Have I have disagreed with this?
As I've already told you the missing of Mr. T for 15 minutes from the fight is one of the greatest mystery in Mopogos' history. I don't have an answer, and I'm afraid nobody has it.
@
Majingilanes then found an opportunity in lone KT and attacked him likely...
Mr.T did not rush immediately as he might have thought.. his brother would have been dominating the fight...
But by the time he arrived the things are other way round..
This is the explanation I can think of...
RE: The mighty Mapogos - HouseOfLions - 01-02-2017
(01-01-2017, 11:52 PM)vinodkumarn Wrote:(01-01-2017, 11:10 PM)Georgel Wrote:(01-01-2017, 09:55 PM)HouseOfLions Wrote:(01-01-2017, 09:23 PM)Georgel Wrote:(01-01-2017, 09:13 PM)HouseOfLions Wrote: When they fought King KT, they were scared and ran with their tail between their legs. King KT died that day due to misfortune (with T not being there at the time) and being in a 4 vs 1 situation.
When the fight started KT and Mr. T were together. They roared together, and chased the Majingilanes together: this is why they split in two 2 + 2 groups. But somehow Mr. T lost the pace.
Thanks for the info but you can't disagree with the fact that kinky and T scared away 4 lions and when he (kinky) was fighting the 2 Manginjis brother, he kinda had the upper hand, before the other Manginjis brother caught up and teamed up on him. Really sad that T wasn't there at the time, what do you think might have happened to slow him down/to lose pace?
Have I have disagreed with this?
As I've already told you the missing of Mr. T for 15 minutes from the fight is one of the greatest mystery in Mopogos' history. I don't have an answer, and I'm afraid nobody has it.
@GeorgelAs Majingilanes ran away from Mr.T and KT, Mr.T thought no point in chasing them and went to patrol or with a female.
Majingilanes then found an opportunity in lone KT and attacked him likely...
Mr.T did not rush immediately as he might have thought.. his brother would have been dominating the fight...
But by the time he arrived the things are other way round..
This is the explanation I can think of...
That is a very good explanation. It does fit the Mapogo behavior as T always believed that his brother was unbeatable and in fact, when kinky was fight the 2 manginis brother, he was winning but when they other two came back, it was a 4 vs 1 and that was impossible to win. I also believe that fate was not on the mlowathis that side that day but on the side of the manginjis, they got lucky and but everything they had into killing KT.
But hey, this is nature and anything can happen.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - fursan syed - 01-02-2017
Inyati
MARCH, 31, 2011
Our resident general game, warthog, nyala, bushbuck and kudus have remained around the lodge entertaining our guests despite the abundance of food else where. Its have been awesome to see them raise their young trough a day to day struggle of survival. Even the big lion
Mr T
visited us.
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