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RE: The mighty Mapogos - fursan syed - 11-15-2016
Sub Adult Sand River Males (Mapogo Sons) killed by Humans
*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: The mighty Mapogos - fursan syed - 11-15-2016
Sub Adult Sand River Male (Mapogo Son) killed by Humans
*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: The mighty Mapogos - fursan syed - 11-15-2016
Sub Adult Sand River Male (Mapogo Son) killed by Humans
*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: The mighty Mapogos - fursan syed - 11-15-2016
Sub Adult Sand River Males (Mapogo Sons) killed by Humans
*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: The mighty Mapogos - fursan syed - 11-15-2016
Sub Adult Sand River Males [b](Mapogo Sons) with Sand River Lioness killed by Humans[/b]
*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Pckts - 11-15-2016
How many actual sub adults were killed by humans?
How were they killed?
RE: The mighty Mapogos - LionKiss - 11-16-2016
(11-15-2016, 08:31 PM)Pckts Wrote: How many actual sub adults were killed by humans?
How were they killed?
9 in total
5 male sub adults
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Tshokwane - 11-16-2016
(11-15-2016, 08:31 PM)Pckts Wrote: How were they killed?
They were just shot.
The Mapogo males just kept chasing them out of the reserve, and so these lions started wandering off to where the people lived, killing cattle and stuff.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - fursan syed - 11-16-2016
@Pckts and this is the offical statement of head warden of sabi sand about that incident.
Statement of Willem botha: "everybody blame and critisice the white people in the photo who was involved in the shooting of the lions. the big culprits are the three chiefs of dumphries village who insisted thats the lions should be destroyed after eating their cattle. we attempted to bait and dart the lions and take them back to the sabi sands but members of the local population on instruction of the chiefs chased the lions away from the bait. they also threatened members of the sabi sands and mtpa with violence should we attempt to dart the lions. at one stage we wanted to leave the area but were blocked by the local population and were told that we could not leave before the lions were destroyed. that was when a group of huntets with their dogs from lydenburg was called to assist the authorities. dreadlocks also left the reserve in the north of the reserve at the kokovelo river where he on various occasions left the reserve to seek easy prey in the community outside the reserve. there he was caught in a snare which was set near a carcass of a cow which he caught the previous night." after he was asked if that means that dreadlocks was killed by the local population here is his answer: "yes. as was many other animals that left the reserve."
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Pckts - 11-16-2016
Cattle lifters aren't looked upon kindly unfortunately. It's up to the gov't to reimburse the villagers quickly but they seem to pick and choose when and usually never enough.
To these people, cattle is their currency and if you "steal from them, they will punish you."
It's a shame, what a waste.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - LionKiss - 11-17-2016
the reason they run into the residential area was because the fence had been washed away by the rain otherwise they would have found their way to Kruger or South SS
just another unlucky situation,
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Pckts - 11-17-2016
(11-17-2016, 01:49 AM)LionKiss Wrote: the reason they run into the residential area was because the fence had been washed away by the rain otherwise they would have found their way to Kruger or South SS
just another unlucky situation,
Like it was already stated, those fences don't keep animals from escaping all the time, animals can and have escaped at times.
Now my interpretation on why the reason for Man/Animal Conflict there (move it to another place if it doesn't belong here, maybe "the fall of the mapogos", just figured the discussion has been going this direction as well)...
Kruger has a reputation of booting locals from their land which I'm sure doesn't ease tension between the park and villagers who were forced to leave their homeland, any animals caught "trespassing" in their gov't forced home will be treated with extreme hostility. I also assume that a lot of these people who were forced into conditions that they weren't used to, the modernization of their means of income which isn't an easy transition, which probably led to some of them becoming poachers since they already knew the land and probably developed a bit of hatred towards the animals in which they may blame as one of the reasons they were forced to leave their home.
"In 1969, the white apartheid government ordered the Makuleke off the land they had occupied for two centuries so it could incorporate the property into the world-famous Kruger National Par
and enforce its policy of herding blacks into artificial "homeland" areas"
But apparently they are trying to make it right
"At a ceremony scheduled for Saturday, tribal leaders and Kruger officials will sign a partnership deal that gives ownership and commercial rights back to the Makuleke in exchange for a vow never to farm the land or mine it. The nearly 50,000 acres will be jointly managed and conserved by the tribe and the park for at least 25 years."
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-05-30/news/9805300116_1_land-claims-makuleke-bushmen
Same with the San
"The last of the hunter-gatherers were forcibly evicted from the Central Kalahari Game Reserve as recently as April 2002, by the Botswana government to make way for diamond mines. A court case is currently in existence to help the San claim their land."
and The Tsonga People as well...
"The Tsonga people became a victim of forced removal from the Kruger National Park between 1899 and 1926. When the British Colonialists took over the administration of Union of South Africa in 1902, they sought to expand the park and finally in 1926, the Tsonga people were removed from the entire land to make way for the establishment of South Africa's biggest nature reserve. The last Tsonga people in the park were removed during the 1960's at Makuleke in the Pafuri triangle. Since 1994, the Tsonga people have been involved in a Land Claim dispute with the South African Government for the restoration of their once vast Kingdoms. But the Government is not willing to hand over the entire park in the name of 'Conservation'."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruger_National_Park
Even dating back to the 17th century, the people there have been beaten and stolen from their land.
"Thus, when the white settlers arrived in the mid 17th century the whole country was inhabited by 3 different groups - the hunter-gatherers (San), the pastoralists (Khoikhoi) and the farmers (BaNtu). At first, the San co-existed peacefully with the Nguni (a sub-language group of the BaNtu) speakers (the Zulu, Xhosa, Swazi and Ndebele) who intermarried with the San and incorporated some of the distinctive and characteristic 'clicks' of the San language into their own languages. Contact with Nguni and Sotho-Tswana farmers is depicted in the San rock art. The artists started including representations of cattle and sheep as well as of people with shields and spears, in their paintings.Unfortunately, hunter-gatherers cannot live permanently alongside a settled community and thus problems arose. When the San fought against the BaNtu, they were at a huge disadvantage not only in numbers but also in lack of weapons. With the Europeans, they were at an even greater disadvantage. The Europeans owned horses and firearms. In this period, the number of San was greatly reduced. They fought to the death and preferred death to capture where they would be forced into slavery."
http://www.krugerpark.co.za/africa_bushmen.html
Sorry for the derailment, these topics tend to send you in a different direction than the thread intends at times but still good to learn about I think.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - fursan syed - 11-17-2016
4 Mapogos Killing a Huge Buffalo Brutally . Note : You can see Mr T on the mouth of Buffalo delivering suffocating bite.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Ngala - 11-19-2016
@
This isn't a showcase board for sales, this is a thread and a forum on nature; continue on this way, please.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - fursan syed - 11-19-2016
(11-19-2016, 11:11 PM)Ngala Wrote: @fursan syed
This isn't a showcase board for sales, this is a thread and a forum on nature; continue on this way, please.
Brother thats not by me but some other Mapogo lovers. if its not allowed to post any thing like this in this forum . i will never do it again. i thought i can post any thing about Mapogos in Mapogos thread. ?