(08-03-2022, 07:59 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Very strange behavior, for sure. Two young males have two older males submitting to them. Video says younger males are 2 and 3, and older males are 8 and 9. Now, I will say if that youngest male is 2 years old, he may well be the most mature looking 2 year old I have ever seen. I don't know who these males are, but it certainly isn't something you see every day. The young males seem to act like they have no idea what to do (the likely don't), just like Kijana did with Fang, but at least in the Kijana instance he had Olalashe with him.

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(08-04-2022, 01:47 PM)BigLion39 Wrote:

(08-03-2022, 07:59 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Very strange behavior, for sure. Two young males have two older males submitting to them. Video says younger males are 2 and 3, and older males are 8 and 9. Now, I will say if that youngest male is 2 years old, he may well be the most mature looking 2 year old I have ever seen. I don't know who these males are, but it certainly isn't something you see every day. The young males seem to act like they have no idea what to do (the likely don't), just like Kijana did with Fang, but at least in the Kijana instance he had Olalashe with him.

This video goes together, or its another person that video'd the interaction where Rob the Ranger video'd 4 nomad lions(2 sets of brothers) on a Buffalo kill together. 
The young ones are Encoyanai boys Chumvi and Pillilipili, 4 yr old sons of Romeo2 and Mohican (before Lolparpit and Olbarnoti beat these 2 out again for the Encoyani pride) . These 2 young boys were bullying the Ex Sand River males Buddha and Slaver (fathers of Salas Boys). Later on Rob the Ranger would film an awesome video of the 4 sharing that buffalo.

Here is the video of the 4 sharing the buffalo together.

https://youtu.be/WsRqXw3GSpg

(08-07-2022, 11:43 AM)BigLion39 Wrote: So the HWC (human wildlife contact) is much worse than i ever thought in the Mara and its conservancies including Tanzania's Serenghetti. 

As far as the Mara there are actual settlements in the Reserve. For example the areas of Ololoolo, Lookout, Maja Ya Fisi, Olkiombo (Fig Tree), Sopa, and possibly even Black Rock area.  These are Massai cattle ranchers. They graze their cattle throughout the Mara. This isn't even considering the Conservancies like Lemek, Enonkishu, Olchorro, etc.... If you look how small some prides are for so long thats why,  for example the only 1 or 2 small prides in Lemek. 

Now not to mention when the Massai children turn, I think 15, and get circumcised, they have to go out and kill/hunt a lion. Its a tradition. Also they use the mane as a headress in some ceremonies like weddings, etc...  There is no such settlement in Topi pride territory, Rekero, and Paradise territory as you can see the size of the pride and the males live without bother from humans there. The famous Marsh have cattle settlements there; Logol and 2 lionesses took 2 cattle a few months ago. It was shown on FB. 

As for the cattle a lot of the guides and Rangers own them in these areas. The cattle owners are hired as Rangers, guides, trackers so they can learn new ways to see these animals as sources of income instead of killing them. 

So most resecnt is Olekiti and Olerai( the biggest lion in the Mara and most gorgeous and impressive). There are cattle in Acatia Pride Territory. Thats why the 4 Ex Offbeat boys came into Acatia Pride territory and then abandoned the pride. Oelkiti and Olerai were missing already. Now Halftail and Logol are moving in. 

Since covid bullcrap the populations of people and cattle have grown. Now we understand the majority of lions missing and killed are not from other lions but humans. 

Maradadi, Olerai, Olekiti, Notch2, 2 Tears, Floppy Ear, Lipstick2, Black Rocker brother Oloisiado, Frank.... these are just some famous rescent lions to disappear. We have to question this every time we hear another lion go missing.

Same in Serenghetti and I learned there is a settlement right next to here owned by the Saudis (i forget the name).  So who's to say they don't have excursions into Serenghetti to get their lions the ricrich people own and show in videos.

I was told not to talk about this or ask questions on social media. The members and others do not accept this or just won't admit it or talk about it. I think this is bull crap.  Its a terrible feeling sitting here in the U.S. and not being able to help or do anything about this situation and then wake up one morning only to read another beautiful male lion disappears or a whole pride,  like most rescently Oloololo pride, is killed.

(08-07-2022, 11:43 AM)BigLion39 Wrote: So the HWC (human wildlife contact) is much worse than i ever thought in the Mara and its conservancies including Tanzania's Serenghetti. 

As far as the Mara there are actual settlements in the Reserve. For example the areas of Ololoolo, Lookout, Maja Ya Fisi, Olkiombo (Fig Tree), Sopa, and possibly even Black Rock area.  These are Massai cattle ranchers. They graze their cattle throughout the Mara. This isn't even considering the Conservancies like Lemek, Enonkishu, Olchorro, etc.... If you look how small some prides are for so long thats why,  for example the only 1 or 2 small prides in Lemek. 

Now not to mention when the Massai children turn, I think 15, and get circumcised, they have to go out and kill/hunt a lion. Its a tradition. Also they use the mane as a headress in some ceremonies like weddings, etc...  There is no such settlement in Topi pride territory, Rekero, and Paradise territory as you can see the size of the pride and the males live without bother from humans there. The famous Marsh have cattle settlements there; Logol and 2 lionesses took 2 cattle a few months ago. It was shown on FB. 

As for the cattle a lot of the guides and Rangers own them in these areas. The cattle owners are hired as Rangers, guides, trackers so they can learn new ways to see these animals as sources of income instead of killing them. 

So most resecnt is Olekiti and Olerai( the biggest lion in the Mara and most gorgeous and impressive). There are cattle in Acatia Pride Territory. Thats why the 4 Ex Offbeat boys came into Acatia Pride territory and then abandoned the pride. Oelkiti and Olerai were missing already. Now Halftail and Logol are moving in. 

Since covid bullcrap the populations of people and cattle have grown. Now we understand the majority of lions missing and killed are not from other lions but humans. 

Maradadi, Olerai, Olekiti, Notch2, 2 Tears, Floppy Ear, Lipstick2, Black Rocker brother Oloisiado, Frank.... these are just some famous rescent lions to disappear. We have to question this every time we hear another lion go missing.

Same in Serenghetti and I learned there is a settlement right next to here owned by the Saudis (i forget the name).  So who's to say they don't have excursions into Serenghetti to get their lions the ricrich people own and show in videos.

I was told not to talk about this or ask questions on social media. The members and others do not accept this or just won't admit it or talk about it. I think this is bull crap.  Its a terrible feeling sitting here in the U.S. and not being able to help or do anything about this situation and then wake up one morning only to read another beautiful male lion disappears or a whole pride,  like most rescently Oloololo pride, is killed.

(08-08-2022, 06:43 AM)Lycaon Wrote: This is some rather disappointing news to read,didn't know it was that bad hope it changes for the better.