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RE: Bigcats News - Sanju - 02-28-2019

Madhya Pradesh: 'Cannibal' tiger kills, eats two more tigers inside Kanha National Park

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Two sub-adult tigers were found dead in Kanha National Park on Tuesday.

Two more tigers were killed and eaten by another tiger inside Kanha National Park prompting Madhya Pradesh wildlife officials to study thriving cannibalistic behaviour among big cats within protected areas.

A tigress was killed and eaten by the same tiger on January 19 this year.

Officials say tigers killing tigers is natural, but one tiger killing and eating only tigers is something strange – that too when the park.

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A patrolling squad had spotted the carcasses at Kanhari area around 9.20am on Tuesday

“It’s a natural process through which they (tiger) control population. It is not possible to monitor the tiger 24x7, but we are observing it. Yesterday our patrolling squad had seen the tiger feeding on its kill,” says Kanha’s field director L Krishnamurthy.


Quote:“Yes, it’s the same time that it had killed and eaten a tigress last month,” he said.

Two sub-adult tigers were found dead in Kanha National Park on Tuesday. According to an official release, a patrolling squad had spotted the carcasses at Kanhari area around 9.20am. An adult tiger was found sitting over the two carcasses that had been ripped to shreds, said officials.

“Cannibalism in tigers are not uncommon but the circumstances under which a tiger is feeding on its own species needs to be studied thoroughly. In Kanha, the prey base is adequate, territory is also good. Most compelling thing would be to examine the male female ratio,” says Dilip Kumar, APCCF (wildlife).

In the previous cases reported from Kanha, a tigress was killed by cannibal tiger. The partial remains of the tigress, including its skull and paws, were found by a patrol team at Mundidadar and the viscera sent for further analysis. The forest guards who were on elephants had seen the scattered parts of the tigress and informed senior officials.

Officials had expressed surprise over the behaviour even though the area has a good prey base.

The forest officials and experts from the WWF and Wildlife Trust of India (WTI) surveyed the area and have submitted their preliminary report.

"The hunting tiger did not mean to satiate its hunger by eating the tigress, it is an extension of the territorial fight,” said an expert, while refuting the claims that the instance was connected to declining prey-base in the forests.

Kanha in-fighting could be explained as it has a good population of tigers.

@Rage2277 @Pckts


RE: Bigcats News - Rage2277 - 02-28-2019

(02-28-2019, 09:33 AM)Sanju Wrote: Madhya Pradesh: 'Cannibal' tiger kills, eats two more tigers inside Kanha National Park

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Two sub-adult tigers were found dead in Kanha National Park on Tuesday.

Two more tigers were killed and eaten by another tiger inside Kanha National Park prompting Madhya Pradesh wildlife officials to study thriving cannibalistic behaviour among big cats within protected areas.

A tigress was killed and eaten by the same tiger on January 19 this year.

Officials say tigers killing tigers is natural, but one tiger killing and eating only tigers is something strange – that too when the park.

*This image is copyright of its original author

A patrolling squad had spotted the carcasses at Kanhari area around 9.20am on Tuesday

“It’s a natural process through which they (tiger) control population. It is not possible to monitor the tiger 24x7, but we are observing it. Yesterday our patrolling squad had seen the tiger feeding on its kill,” says Kanha’s field director L Krishnamurthy.


Quote:“Yes, it’s the same time that it had killed and eaten a tigress last month,” he said.

Two sub-adult tigers were found dead in Kanha National Park on Tuesday. According to an official release, a patrolling squad had spotted the carcasses at Kanhari area around 9.20am. An adult tiger was found sitting over the two carcasses that had been ripped to shreds, said officials.

“Cannibalism in tigers are not uncommon but the circumstances under which a tiger is feeding on its own species needs to be studied thoroughly. In Kanha, the prey base is adequate, territory is also good. Most compelling thing would be to examine the male female ratio,” says Dilip Kumar, APCCF (wildlife).

In the previous cases reported from Kanha, a tigress was killed by cannibal tiger. The partial remains of the tigress, including its skull and paws, were found by a patrol team at Mundidadar and the viscera sent for further analysis. The forest guards who were on elephants had seen the scattered parts of the tigress and informed senior officials.

Officials had expressed surprise over the behaviour even though the area has a good prey base.

The forest officials and experts from the WWF and Wildlife Trust of India (WTI) surveyed the area and have submitted their preliminary report.

"The hunting tiger did not mean to satiate its hunger by eating the tigress, it is an extension of the territorial fight,” said an expert, while refuting the claims that the instance was connected to declining prey-base in the forests.

Kanha in-fighting could be explained as it has a good population of tigers.

@Rage2277 @Pckts

are these the pics of the culprit? if so the second is def sangam


RE: Bigcats News - Spalea - 02-28-2019

@Sanju :

About #1621: @Wolverine maintained me an idea which could be, I don't know I guess, interesting. He told me that tigers could feel the need of vengeance, the act of vengeance. After for exemple a lost duel against a powerful opponent (gaur and man in particular). Thus why not with other tigers ?

Here is the link of our discussion:

First page:

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-on-the-...e+behavior

This idea of "revenge behavior" is sustained from the #1751. Here is the link of the following page:

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-on-the-edge-of-extinction-a-the-tiger-panthera-tigris?pid=58873&highlight=revenge+behavior#pid58873

This discussion was between us. I was the "skeptical". If you can admit that tiger are able to resent the revenge feeling, so we don't know anything about this particular cannibal tiger's story and past., thus anything is possible. This tiger had perhaps been through a traumatic experience with other tigers...

It's just aspeculation, hypothese !

After all, "the book of the jungle" movie illustrates this idea too. Shere Khan is a vengeful tiger !


RE: Bigcats News - Sanju - 02-28-2019

@Spalea I too belive in this revenge Hypotheses. As I read many of these Tiger revenge stories which are said to be happened really in some parts of the country, for instance, One tigress tracked a hunter by blood scent who killed her cubs to his home and waited in his house till he returned and after his return, she killed him and disappeared into forest. If I remember correctly, it is from Sunderbans (@Rishi, correct?).


RE: Bigcats News - Spalea - 02-28-2019

(02-28-2019, 12:06 PM)Sanju Wrote: @Spalea I too belive in this revenge Hypotheses. As I read many of these Tiger revenge stories which are said to be happened really in some parts of the country, for instance, One tigress tracked a hunter by blood scent who killed her cubs to his home and waited in his house till he returned and after his return, she killed him and disappeared into forest. If I remember correctly, it is from Sunderbans (@Rishi, correct?).

It seems to be incredible... But if it is proved, a tiger's personal past requires an investigator like for men...


RE: Bigcats News - Rishi - 02-28-2019

(02-28-2019, 12:06 PM)Sanju Wrote: One tigress tracked a hunter by blood scent who killed her cubs to his home and waited in his house till he returned and after his return, she killed him and disappeared into forest. If I remember correctly, it is from Sunderbans (@Rishi, correct?).

Never heard of it... but a lady who used to run a computer coaching in my neighbour had 30+ cats. I was her student while in middle-school (2008-10) & needless to say how much i actually studied in her house.

But in my experience, their personalities vary widely (unlikely dig breeds). Some individuals can be wild & feral, came home to eat only while some spent time on her students' laps. Some were extremely jealous, vindictive animals & some downright @$$holes!


RE: Bigcats News - Sanju - 02-28-2019

@Spalea 

If you're interested, Here's one of the many such true incidents:

The True Story Of A Man-Eating Tiger's 'Vengeance'
(I believe that you may like it)


RE: Bigcats News - Spalea - 02-28-2019

(02-28-2019, 01:12 PM)Sanju Wrote: @Spalea 

If you're interested, Here's one of the many such true incidents:

The True Story Of A Man-Eating Tiger's 'Vengeance'
(I believe that you may like it)

Thank you ! I' going to read it ...


RE: Bigcats News - Sanju - 02-28-2019

Tiger Found Dead in Gujarat is the One Caught on Cam: Forest Dept

The Gujarat forest department on Wednesday, 27 February, confirmed that the tiger found dead in Mahisagar district on Tuesday, 26 February was the same that was captured on camera around two weeks back – the first sighting of a tiger in the state in three decades.

The department, however, ruled out poaching as the cause of the tiger's death. The carcass of the tiger was found on Tuesday at Kantar village in the forest area of Mahisagar district.
Quote:The animal was found dead around 15 kms from the spot, where it was last captured on camera. Based on the examination of the carcass, the forest department ruled out the possibility of poaching, a senior forest department official said. The official said samples of the tiger carcass have been sent to three laboratories to ascertain the cause of the death as no external injury marks were found on it.

According to the official, the pattern of the tiger's stripes led the post-mortem panel, formed to probe its death, to conclude that it was the same animal that was captured on the camera trap around two weeks back.

Quote:“During the examination, no physical injury was noticed on the tiger. Also, all the 18 claws, 4 canine teeth, genital organ and skin were found to be intact, hence this is definitely not a case of poaching.”
S K Srivastava, Chief Conservator of Forests, Vadodara,

Quote:Only two weeks ago, the state government had confirmed the presence of a tiger in Gujarat. The animal was spotted in the state after a gap of nearly three decades.

Srivastava said the exact cause of its death is yet to be ascertained as no external injury was found on the animal. "We have collected three sets of samples for investigation, which will be sent to Gujarat Forensic Sciences Laboratory in Gandhinagar, Anand Veterinary Hospital and LaCONES in Hyderabad for examination," he said.

The post-mortem panel comprises senior forest department officials, a representative of the National Tiger Conservation Authority (NCTA), veterinary doctors, and district representative of the Animal Welfare Board of India, Srivastava said.

"The carcass was burnt as per the protocol of the National Tiger Conservation Authority (NTCA) in the presence of a panel, villagers and mediapersons," he added.

Not poached, tests on to find out if tiger was poisoned
@Rishi and @Lycaon
The post-mortem of a tiger found dead on Tuesday ruled out poaching as the cause of death, after a seven-member panel that examined the carcass said the big cat carried no physical injuries. Further tests are on to ascertain whether the tiger was poisoned, as forest officials have not ruled out the possibility that farmers could have done it protect their farms.

However, the major organs of the big cat had degenerated by the time the carcass was found 72 hours after the animal died, said NTCA representative Dr Pratyush Patankar.

Quote:“Pathological and toxicology analysis is awaited to rule out the possibility of poisoning,” he added. He also ruled out starvation as the cause of death.

The forest officials are looking into the possibility that the tiger was fed on a carcass of a pig poisoned by the farmers to protect their farms.

However, Chief Conservator of Forests SK Srivastava said the locals had been thrilled about the presence of the wild cat in their area. “The villagers were very sad with the death of the tiger too,” he said. Sad

It had been determined that the dead tiger was the same animal captured on camera from its stripe patterns, an official said. No tiger has been sighted in this area in the past six months and no animal has been killed in that period, he added.

It was the same tiger that went missing from Ujjain and was expected to be journeying back home.

Gujarat: Forest department still clueless about what killed tiger

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Mangla Bavo

Nicknamed Mangla Bavo, this was the first tiger sighted in the state in 30 years

A day after a tiger was found dead in the forest of Kantar Village in Mahisagar, the forest department is still clueless about what killed the wild cat. The tiger, nicknamed Mangla Bavo for its propensity to not settle anywhere.

Another official in the know said in all probability, the animal died due to something it ate. It should be noted that since the news of its death, it has been suspected that the animal could have been poisoned.

"The jungles where he was found has cobras and Russell Vipers Laughing (just found funny, every Indian jungles has the BIG 4 at least those 2). It is also possible that the animal was bitten by a poisonous snake. But so far, it seems it could be something that he ate," said the official.

However, he added that no major kills were reported in the area a day or two before the tiger's body was found. "We did not find any carcasses nor did locals report a missing animal," said the official.

Quote:An expert, who had also been following the tiger's presence in Gujarat, rubbished the 'bitten by snake' theory. "You only need to take a look at the tiger deaths across India and the cause to know how improbable this angle is," said the expert.

The postmortem panel comprises senior forest department officials, a representative of the National Tiger Conservation Authority (NCTA), veterinary doctors, and district representative of the Animal Welfare Board of India, Srivastava said.

Lioness found dead
Dead body of a lioness, aged around 10 to 11 years, was found in Tulsishyam range of Gir East division on Wednesday, the state's forest department said. The dead body was found inside the protected area. They said that nails of the lioness were found to be intact, and nothing suspicious was noticed. The postmortem would be conducted as per the due procedure, they added. The lioness' body was found two days after a male lion was found dead in Jasadhar range of Gir East. The state government said in the assembly last week that 204 lions and cubs had died, majority of them due to natural causes, in 2017 and 2018.

Tiger autopsy rules out poaching, snakebite likely

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An autopsy was conducted by a panel of doctors in the presence of officials and representatives of various organisations on Wednesday morning according to NTCA guidelines.

Apart from forest department staff and veterinary officers from Mahisagar, Dr Pratyush Patankar, a representative of the National Tiger Conservation Authority (NTCA); GEER Foundation veterinary doctor Dr Aniket Patel; and Prateek Lakdawala, a representative of the Animal Welfare Board of India were present during the post mortem. The chief conservator of forests, Vadodara, S K Srivastava, said that during the examination no physical injury was noticed on the carcass.

Srivastava further said, “The possibility of it being given a poisoned kill by locals is not likely, as there was no discontent among people of the state about the tiger killing livestock. The possibility of snakebite cannot be ruled out.”

Sources said that the carcass was badly decomposed. “Only histopathology and toxicology reports can now ascertain what led to its death,” said an expert present at the site.

Forest officials said they are also looking into the possibility that a nilgai or a wild boar

Gujarat TIGER PROBE (CORRECTED)

"The tiger that was found dead in Gujarat, had reached Mahisagar district after crossing Indore, Ujjain, Dewas and Jhabua districts of Madhya Pradesh," an MP Public Relations Department official said, quoting the state forest department authorities. The tiger had traversed from Ratapani sanctuary situated near Bhopal, he said.

After getting the information that the tiger had entered Gujarat, MP's Principal Chief Conservator of Forest (Wildlife) U Prakasham had written a letter to the Gujarat Forest Department on February 14, urging it to protect the animal and keep a tab on its movements.

Quote:Gujarat is expert in branding any unnatural wildlife death in name of "death due to snake-bite" to make it appear as "Natural"...
I was of view that only Asiatic Lions were stupid to get bitten often by venomous snakes, but Gujarat proved that Tigers are not smarter
... said Jaidev Dhadhal

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I bet, all these sake bite cases are side tracking coz big cats (particularly tiger) are not blind and lethargic to get bitten all the time. I know they may get bitten really if not aware but that occurs very rarely. If in autopsy of  histopathology and toxicology test reports poison presence is confirmed then it might be the poison that is given by villagers not venom by snake.


RE: Bigcats News - Lycaon - 02-28-2019

I really don't buy this natural causes. Let's hope this is not the only tiger in gujarat.


RE: Bigcats News - Sanju - 02-28-2019

Lioness carcass found in Gir east


The forest department found carcass of a 10-year-old lioness on Wednesday in Sausaria area of Bania in Gir east forest division. The department denied poaching  Sad saying that the nails of the animal was intact and no sign of injury marks were found on its body. The carcass has been sent for postmortem to know the exact cause of death.


RE: Bigcats News - Sanju - 03-01-2019

(02-28-2019, 02:49 PM)Lycaon Wrote: I really don't buy this natural causes. Let's hope this is not the only tiger in gujarat.
Surveillance to continue to ascertain if there are more tigers


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File photo of a tiger that was captured on camera recently

The tiger found in Mahisagar district may have died, but the forest department is continuing to keep vigil in the area.

The department has continued surveillance by trap cameras as well as patrolling by foot to ascertain if other striped big cats exist in the area.

The department does not have many takers for the theory that more tigers – particularly a family with cubs – exist in the area, but the residents of some deep forest areas have been maintaining that there are more tigers there.

After the sighting of the tiger that was found dead on Tuesday, the belief among villagers has grown only stronger despite the fact that it has been established that the dead tiger is the same as the one from Ratapani in Madhya Pradesh.


Quote:“We have not removed the 12 trap cameras that were installed to photograph the tiger when it was spotted in the area earlier this month. But so far, we have not come across any other tiger. Several other animals have been spotted in the cameras,” said deputy forest conservator (Mahisagar) R M Parmar.


Staffers of the forest department have been patrolling the area where the only tiger photographed so far was moving.

However, even they have not been able to spot any other tiger so far. The cameras as well as the patrolling will continue in the coming days.

Parmar said that some pugmarks and scat were found in the area, but it came to light that these were of the same tiger that had died.

At the same time, the cameras have revealed that wild boars, four-horned antelopes and blue bulls exist in the area in good numbers. If at all there are more tigers, they have sufficient prey base in the area.

Tiger last preyed 10 days before death

The tiger that was found dead on Tuesday had preyed on four goats on February 15. After this there was no known kill by the tiger till its carcass was found in the forest area near Signali.

The four goats could have been the last prey it had unless it killed any other wild animal and the kill went unnoticed. Sources in the forest department said that the tiger can go without food for more than a week, but usually eats about once a week.

1. Tiger is capable of hunting any type of wild prey as dept says that chousinga, wildboar and nilgai are in good numbers. Albeit Tiger is also in prime. Let us think that, tiger didn't had found wild prey to hunt, then it will not hesitate to kill domestic cattle. So the tiger mightn't died of hunger and last kill of 4 goats is not much time to starve to death and the tiger is said to returning to MP.

2. The only thing left is villagers poisoned. NO snake and other s***.


RE: Bigcats News - Sanju - 03-01-2019


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RE: Bigcats News - Spalea - 03-01-2019

(02-28-2019, 01:12 PM)Sanju Wrote: @Spalea 

If you're interested, Here's one of the many such true incidents:

The True Story Of A Man-Eating Tiger's 'Vengeance'
(I believe that you may like it)

I just come to read this awesome story ! Really fascinating, it's very comforting to know there is something above humans in such natural countries like Siberia, an incentive to stay humble because the man is a stranger and doesn't belong to the forest anymore.


RE: Bigcats News - Sanju - 03-01-2019

Lion dead. Sandesh 1/3/2019 (@Lycaon)

67% of infestation of diseases, 19% of snake bites, 8% due to old age and 6% heart, lung, kidney disease and rest are Death due to illness. Gujarat forest dept tricking theory. All is well in Gir... Jaidev Dhadhal

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