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RE: Tiger Predation - Pckts - 06-28-2014

(06-28-2014, 03:02 AM)'Pantherinae' Wrote: No gaur i have always belived because if a lion can kill a buffalo, a tiger can kill a gaur. But rhinos are in an whole other level. [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]


Also rember they use elephats on indian safari's to because usually elephants Will keep you safe from tigers. And tigers and elephants who carries people do not seem do care about eachother at all, and they use alot of elephants in Kaziranga. Also the thing is if rhino actually was on the tigers menu, they would have been evolved differently.
A rhino is slow compared to tigers, they do have an horrible eye sight (almost blind) and aswell as they are solitary and have only themself to relay on to spot predators.. So rhinos have IMO been evolved to be big and slow and have none natrural enimies, because if not why would tigers eat anything else, the tigers would have driven rhinos to extintcion...

And one more thing a rhino mom rasises up her calf alone, if she can't defend her self against a tiger how could she defend her calf?? A rhino calf would have been the most easy prey of them all. As the mom is alone, defenceless, slow and almost blind. Rhinos are big extremly strong animals.

And just by curiosity do you think a tiger alone can take down an animal almost twice the size of and animal not even 6 lions can kill?

 



You know that multiple people and elephants have been attacked through out decades from tigers. 2 have been caught on film, many documented. Mahuts specifically talking about Tigers attacking there elephants, killing one, injuring the other. 
And many more documents like that.


In response to your last question,
Are you asking me if I think a lone tiger can take down a Elephant or Rhino adult (female or young male) then the answer is 100% Yes.
There is way too much verified eye witness accounts, videos and documents for me not to believe it. 


Also when making "excuses" for a rhino calf, remember, a pride can easily distract a rhino mother and snatch the calf with out even touching the mother rhino, but with a tiger, who distracts the mother?
The tiger probably has to first take on the mother since even a large rhino calf would probably be to heavy to run off with, so that means that lone tigers which hunt rhino calf all the time, regularly battle and run off rhino parents, which says something in it self. 

BTW guys, this is not Lion vs Tiger debate

This was purely a "do tigers hunt adult rhino and elephant" debate, that is all.


RE: Tiger Predation - Pantherinae - 06-28-2014


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female rhino short horn, small skinn crest around throat
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big bull with massive horn, and a big skinn crest.
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small rhino attacked my tiger.

# hi again pckts. Well what shoocked me when i saw the rhino mother with calf being attacked by the tiger, is that the mother with the calf is not the same animal as the one that is injured, I have studied the clip very carefully, and can now se the injuried one is a adult bull, and almost seartan has been injured in a fight with another male. Also the wounds on the rhino is so deep that probably only horns from an other bull can have done those damages! A young rhino calf who was attacked by a tiger did not even have so deep wounds.  

See now why I have difficulties beliving stuff, classic story bord!
 


RE: Tiger Predation - Pckts - 06-28-2014

"Big massive bull?"

How do you see that?
Those rhino look identical, there is a back view with no noticeable testicles. Skin flaps are the same. Also all paused on a semi blurry screen from different angles and in water. 
Definitely no way you could say "big massive bull".

What about the numerous accounts about Adult Rhinos being killed. There have been two seperate ones posted here so far. Do you think they are "lies?"

A couple of other ones to look at
20 Rhino calves were killed by tigers on year (2008)   OUR CORRESPONDENT  Dergaon, Dec. 28: The carcass of a rhino that had stayed from Kaziranga National Park a few days ago was dug out today from a farmer’s backyard some 25km away.    Apart from the horn, poachers have taken away the tail, nails and ears of the female rhino, suspected to have been killed nearly three days back. The carcass bore two bullet marks.    This is the first time that a rhino has been buried in a pit after being killed.   Though the farmer, Gobendra Pegu, was interrogated about the carcass, the police refused to divulge further details.   “Three rhinos had strayed out of the park on Thursday. While one came back, there was no news of the other two. The carcass of one was recovered today,” the director of the park, Surendra Buragohain, said.  With one more rhino still outside the park, forest officials fear that poachers may also target this animal.   Buragohain said forest rangers try to keep a watch on the rhinos, which stray out of the park, but it is difficult to follow these animals all the time.    A forest official said police and forest personnel launched a joint operation today following specific information that a rhino was shot dead by poachers a few days back.    “After launching a search, we found marks of newly dug earth in the backyard of a house. After digging up the yard, we found the carcass, which has still not decomposed,” a forest official said.  Carbide was used to quicken the decomposition process in the seven-foot deep pit.   Robin Saikia, the veterinarian who conducted the post-mortem, estimated that the rhino was killed nearly 72 hours ago.    A source said a group of poachers was seen in Bonkowal near the park a few days ago and forest guards with the help of the police were conducting joint operations in the area since they received the information.   This is the tenth rhino falling prey to poachers this year. While seven rhinos were killed inside the park, three were killed outside.   Apart from these, 53 rhinos died because of natural causes and 20 calves were killed by tigers this year. http://asmenvis.nic.in/ViewGeneralLatestNews.aspx?Id=969Elephant Killed by a Tiger in Corbett reserve An elephant was found dead at Dhela range of the Corbett Tiger Reserve apparently killed by a tiger, forest officials said today. 15-year-old tusker's hind portion was badly mauled when its body was found during a routine patrol yesterday, they said. "It is understood that some fight took place between a tiger and the elephant which resulted in the latter's death," said an official of the tiger reserve, adding a post-mortem was being conducted. http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/elephant-found-dead-in-corbett-reserve/973620.html  Same report from another news media, Thanks to Rickson  Tiger kills tusker at Corbett   According to national park field director Ranjan Kumar Mishra, park staff on patrol discovered a tiger eating the body of a tusker in the Dhela range of Corbett on Sunday noon. The pachyderm is estimated to have been about 15 years in age and had tusks about two feet long.   The tiger is believed to have attacked the pachyderm from the rear and after climbing atop the beast, is thought to have inflicted severe wounds on its rear and head. Apart from the back and head, the hind legs of the pachyderm had deep wounds and the ears of the elephant had been eaten. Considering the wounds on the elephant and the condition of the location where the body was found, the pachyderm is believed to have struggled hard against the tiger before being finally killed, added Mishra. 


RE: Tiger Predation - Pantherinae - 06-28-2014

You can clearly see those are different animals! Bulls do tend to have some slightly lagrer horns, and the skulls are "U" shaped as this one is! 

If you watch the clip one more time you can easily see it, I had no trubles with it! The skinn crest is longer that you also can see better in the video! I'm 100% sure about that. 

Well with the accounts, I do not remember if it was a Kaziranga or Corbett man who said tigers do rarely kill rhinos, but a Female tiger with cubs, can sometimes do it because they can't go to far from the cubs.... 
a tigress would not have had a chance of taking down a rhino. No way! And when they say such things you quickly becomes sceptical, of what they are saying.


RE: Tiger Predation - sanjay - 06-28-2014

This is last request, not to discuss about "do tigers hunt adult rhino and elephant" . I repeat again this thread is not meant for long discussion, Read the thread heading carefully it says "Tiger Predation" and see the posts by Apollo and others in this thread. They all have posted about Tigers Hunting.

Soon, A new Section In this forum will be Created to Debate on these type of topics with the help of moderators.

Till then, please back to the thread original objective, i.e. post images, videos and data related to tiger hunting.



RE: Tiger Predation - Apollo - 06-28-2014

What Sanjay said is right. Lets stick to the topic.

I saw a video of a tigress bringing down a male sambar (not a prime adult), the video shows the full hunt (its super rare to see full hunts).
Ill post it soon.


Hunt by the Jhurjhura female
This is once in a lifetime experience, capturing a tiger hunting (full hunt) in camera is a dream come true for any photographer.
Enjoy watching these rare images.


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RE: Tiger Predation - Apollo - 06-29-2014

Another Chital hunt



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RE: Tiger Predation - Pantherinae - 06-29-2014


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Here is a tiger cub eating an injuried gaur (maybe an water buffalo when I look at the horns) alive. Brutal nature, and also shows how brave this young tiger is. I have seen leopards in same situations only and injuried elephat calf, and the leopard did not move in on the elephant.


RE: Tiger Predation - Apollo - 06-29-2014

Yeah thats a water buffalo.
 


RE: Tiger Predation - Pantherinae - 06-29-2014

'Apollo dateline='' Wrote: Yeah thats a water buffalo.
 

 

Yeah I thougt so to after I took a second look at the picture! 

 


RE: Tiger Predation - Apollo - 06-29-2014

Tiger mauls pregnant buffalo of tribal temple


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Bamera male as a cub Teasing a sloth bear

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Tiger and Chital


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RE: Tiger Predation - Pckts - 06-30-2014

Sorry for the topic derailment. 
Nice images

Jhurjhura female is quite the muscular, she is an impressive hunter.


RE: Tiger Predation - TheLioness - 06-30-2014

~~The Hindu A camera trap captures images of a tigress and her cubs at a kill in the Nagarjunasagar-Srisailam Tiger Reserve in Andhra Pradesh. Cattle kill

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RE: Tiger Predation - Apollo - 07-02-2014

 Himalayan bear killed by tiger    


In the first recorded incident of its kind in Bhutan, a Himalayan black bear was killed and eaten by a royal Bengal tiger in the Jigme Dorji national park.    

The carcass of the bear, with only its head, skin and paws remaining, was discovered by a team of foresters in Domenda, two days walk from Dodena in Thimphu, on November 7 at an altitude of 4,079 m. The kill has thrown up several questions on tigers being found at such high altitudes in winter, the relationship between bears and tigers in Bhutan’s wild and the implications of the tiger’s presence on the snow leopard habitat.   

“It’s a confirmed kill by a royal Bengal tiger, since there are canine puncture marks on the bear’s throat and spine, as well as tiger claw marks lacerating the bears face and tiger pug marks in the area,” said Phub Tshering, the JDNP park beat officer, who discovered the carcass. He said that there were also signs of struggle between the bear and the tiger with rhododendrons bushes uprooted and claw marks on trees.   

“Usually the Himalayan black bear is a powerful foe for any tiger and they avoid each other, but here the bear seems to be a juvenile at 2-3 years and hence did not have the muscle and fighting abilities it gets by the time it reaches its adult age of 5 years,” said Dr Sonam Wangyel, the chief forestry officer and wildlife biologist. He said that it was likely that the two animals met accidentally.  

Phub Tshering said that some people, who were on tsam in the area, said that they had seen the same bear feeding on berries in late October. They also noticed tiger pug marks in the same area.   

“We have, for the last three years, started noting multiple signs of the presence of tigers in such high altitude areas, ” said Phub Tshering.   

Dr Sonam Wangyel said that, though there was no conclusive proof, it is possible that due to climate change the tree line was being pushed higher giving cover to the tiger. “This may also be due to shrinking and disturbed habitat at lower altitudes and hence the mountains may be the only undisturbed areas for the tiger,” he said. However, the real impact of tigers moving higher could be on the snow leopard, whose own snowline habitat could be shrinking. He said that clear scientific evidence was needed to establish the above hypothesis.   

The incident has also given a peek into the relationship between the Himalayan black bear and the royal Bengal tiger.  

In a camera trap set up in Nabji in 2006, it was found that a bull killed by a tiger was also being fed on by a bear at alternate intervals. “One day, the bear took away the whole carcass and the camera captured a bewildered look on the face of the tiger when it came back to feed again. The bear could be benefiting from the tigers kills,” said Dr Sonam.   

He said in the wild carnivores would try to eliminate competition and the bear killed may have been a potential competitor. “Though it happens, this is rare incident since the tiger usually goes after smaller, less aggressive and weaker prey,” he said.  

He also said that it was possible that tigers would be coming to these heights to cross into other valleys and that more of them were being detected due to better detection devices.   

Old data show that around 115-150 tigers are found in Bhutan on the basis of sightings 



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RE: Tiger Predation - Apollo - 07-02-2014


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