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RE: Gijima coalition - Duco Ndona - 07-30-2023
Its also possible that this will be their northern border and the havoc will largely play out in Kruger. Time will tell.
RE: Gijima coalition - BigLion39 - 07-30-2023
I think that what they say about Gijimas being the only Duo that can basically compete with PCM's is totally speculation, holds no weight at all. How can they not think 2 N'waswishakas can also be in the running? Makes no sense especially that all 3 coalitions are in excellent health. Sounds like a human picking favorites.
RE: Gijima coalition - Duco Ndona - 07-30-2023
Probably becouse when the Gijimas first appeared they surprised everyone by taking over Southern pride from a much larger group. And then when we were shocked by their agression, surprised everyone again by sparing the subs. Which won them a lot of hearts, but ultimately, its just one victory and people tend to forget the third Gijima that they lost that day.
The Nwaswitshakas on the other hand had such a terrible year their takeover of the Talamati kinda got overshadowed and they lost quite some faith from the fandoms. Even though they learned from their mistakes and had bad luck with Gore.
The PCmales have gotten a rep of being agressive due to some lions they killed early on and had some real luck in securing prides. So people tend to forget that they used to be chased around all the time in the past and the only real victory they scored so far was against Nhenha, which at that point wasnt as much of a challenge anymore. They also are having real trouble dealing with lions like Skorro.
We humans sure like our narratives and compare teams. But in reality those three groups are very unlikely to fight at the moment and its impossible to predict who would win.
RE: Gijima coalition - Tr1x24 - 07-30-2023
(07-30-2023, 03:33 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Probably becouse when the Gijimas first appeared they surprised everyone by taking over Southern pride from a much larger group.
They didnt takeover SP, that pride and area was abandoned before Gijimas came.
RE: Gijima coalition - Duco Ndona - 07-30-2023
Thats however not the common narrative.
RE: Gijima coalition - Mapokser - 07-30-2023
@Robot00 That was not how the Majingis behaved tho, they attacked as soon as they thought they were ready, they weren't staying low waiting Mapogos kill the competition.
In fact they faced much harsher opposition, 6 Mapogos, 6 Matimbas, 5 Selatis, 5 Bboys, 3 Sand Rivers... At their time there were many big coalitions, while for most of the Mapogo's time there were only duos and lone males.
Next year will also see the Nkuhumas becoming a threat, if Nkhulus come deep into SS, it's anyone's guess what will happen with all these big coalitions, but the Gijimas will need a lot of lucky to remain in power considering they are the closest to the Nkhulus rn.
RE: Gijima coalition - Mapokser - 07-30-2023
@BigLion39 Theoretically yes, any healthy duo can compete with any healthy duo. But he gave his reasons which are reasonable and the guy is a ranger, he knows well how the dynamic works, plus it's a little hard to assume he likes Gijimas more ( lions he never gets to see ) than his resident coalition, father of the cubs he sees daily and protector of his most reliable pride in terms of sighting.
The PCM and Gijimas have shown more strength than the Ndhzengas and especially BDM, and are bigger so naturally one will think they're more likely to win, nothing crazy here, though I disagree with any notion there wouldn't be any competition or Ndhzengas would have no chance.
In many occasions regarding lion competition, teamwork, bonding, intelligence/strategy and even lucky play big roles in these things, it's not "coalition X has the tougher lions therefore they fight coalition Y and win". And I also doubt Ndhzengas, as well established and in prime as they are, enjoying a big territory with tons of females and cubs, would give it up easily regardless of which duo they're facing.
RE: Gijima coalition - Tylermartin! - 07-31-2023
(07-30-2023, 10:44 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @BigLion39 Theoretically yes, any healthy duo can compete with any healthy duo. But he gave his reasons which are reasonable and the guy is a ranger, he knows well how the dynamic works, plus it's a little hard to assume he likes Gijimas more ( lions he never gets to see ) than his resident coalition, father of the cubs he sees daily and protector of his most reliable pride in terms of sighting.
The PCM and Gijimas have shown more strength than the Ndhzengas and especially BDM, and are bigger so naturally one will think they're more likely to win, nothing crazy here, though I disagree with any notion there wouldn't be any competition or Ndhzengas would have no chance.
In many occasions regarding lion competition, teamwork, bonding, intelligence/strategy and even lucky play big roles in these things, it's not "coalition X has the tougher lions therefore they fight coalition Y and win". And I also doubt Ndhzengas, as well established and in prime as they are, enjoying a big territory with tons of females and cubs, would give it up easily regardless of which duo they're facing.
Honestly until proven otherwise the nwaswitshakas males are the strongest coalition plains camp males are right behind them but I do fear for them because they are right in the middle of many duos and if any coalition realizes there are only 2 not 4 they may come and investigate and then the duo of amahle and erongji will be tested
RE: Gijima coalition - WildRev - 07-31-2023
Gijima have shown more strength than the n'was ? What nonsense is this ?
RE: Gijima coalition - sik94 - 07-31-2023
(07-31-2023, 02:27 AM)WildRev Wrote: Gijima have shown more strength than the n'was ? What nonsense is this ?
I think it could go either way. The Gijimas are not the most passive lions and I don't see why they can't match the Nws, the larger Gijima is as impressive as Amahle and the younger Gijima is significantly bigger than OE. The PCMs are a different level though.
RE: Gijima coalition - WildRev - 07-31-2023
It's not about their looks
RE: Gijima coalition - sik94 - 07-31-2023
(07-31-2023, 02:47 AM)WildRev Wrote: It's not about their looks
Physically they are equal or better and they aren't lacking confidence or much experience. I think they are pretty equal.
RE: Gijima coalition - afortich - 07-31-2023
I also think that match could go either way. Pretty even.
RE: Gijima coalition - Mapokser - 07-31-2023
@Tylermartin! Why do you think Ndhzengas are the strongest? BDM aside both the PCM and Gijimas have shown more strength.
Gijimas performance against the Ndhzengas themselves when they were young nomads, then against Kambulas and Nkhulus more recently are very impressive. In comparison the older N'was were running from only 2 Birminghams despite being 4 males in 2020 and the Bboys track record in chasing during clashes is pretty bad, still they only returned when Nhenha was basically alone.
Then there are the PCM, they took Nhenha and NK out with negative difficulty and were seen chasing them even before they turned 5yo. They chased Tumbelas and Othawa pride killing a sub and recently a single PCM chased both the NK and Tumbela at the same time. They are also very big and physically powerful.
I don't think N'was are weak and Amahle's recent feats of resisting the 2 BDM without taking serious injuries and chasing what it seems to be the Skorro male are great showings of strength, but as far as perspective goes there's truly no reasons to assume N'was are the strongest.
I'd say PCM > or = Gijimas > Ndhzengas > BDM.
And as far as Ndhzengas chances go, I don't think any of their neighbours are threats, Gijimas are way too down south and have 2 prides already, PCM too west of them and with too big of a territory and 3 prides, and the BDM can't even properly oust Mohawk, challenge S8 or give any trouble to the Nkuhuma pride, and when they got a golden chance of taking Amahle out, they barely did anything to him.
If Nkhulus don't attack them and some new KNP lions show up, the only potential threat would be the NK coalition in 1,5+ year from now, but a lot can happen in 1,5+ year.
@WildRev nonsense? Read above, Gijimas sucessfully chased off 5 Nkhulus and the prime Delaporte male, meanwhile Ndhzengas, when they were still 4, were chased off by 2 Bboys, a coalition that at their prime ran from 2 old Majingilanes who'd die of old age less than a year after that, all despite Bboys being in their territory and outnumbering Majingis 3 to 2.
They chased and beat 4 Kambulas males and sister, badly injuring one not long ago when 3/4 Kambula malea were already 4,5yo+.
Ndhzengas never did anything nearly as impressive.
RE: Gijima coalition - Tylermartin! - 07-31-2023
(07-31-2023, 05:00 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @Tylermartin! Why do you think Ndhzengas are the strongest? BDM aside both the PCM and Gijimas have shown more strength.That was when they where very young and just entered sabi sands every coalition then young has been chased around so that doesn’t matter to the conversation plains camp males got chased gijimas lost a member and got chased ever since plains camp males territory has constantly had 2+ nomadic males in it nwaswitshakas territory not really anyone londolozi really isn’t their territory nobody has dared enter their territory because they think there are 4 males still probably but still until proven otherwise they are the strongest plains camp are right behind them until they do something the black dam males haven’t even taken over a pride so they aren’t that strong because they haven’t challenged anyone not saying they aren’t strong And yes the gijimas caught the Uboso alone then the rest of them came and chased them away and haven’t returned to nwaswitshaka territory since and the third brother is gone. The plains camp males have done a lot of chasing and only “killed” one male theyve chased skorro many times but he cames back nkuhuma just returned talamati boys got chased a few months ago but came back and got chased today those males keep coming back but nobody will enter nwaswitshaka territory why is that? Also amahle and company are the reason for blondies death plus TB but Mohawk props aced him unlike the nkuhuma male who didn’t save nhenha… but basically until they are truly tested you can’t say they aren’t the strongest coalition plains camp males coming in a close second
Gijimas performance against the Ndhzengas themselves when they were young nomads, then against Kambulas and Nkhulus more recently are very impressive. In comparison the older N'was were running from only 2 Birminghams despite being 4 males in 2020 and the Bboys track record in chasing during clashes is pretty bad, still they only returned when Nhenha was basically alone.
Then there are the PCM, they took Nhenha and NK out with negative difficulty and were seen chasing them even before they turned 5yo. They chased Tumbelas and Othawa pride killing a sub and recently a single PCM chased both the NK and Tumbela at the same time. They are also very big and physically powerful.
I don't think N'was are weak and Amahle's recent feats of resisting the 2 BDM without taking serious injuries and chasing what it seems to be the Skorro male are great showings of strength, but as far as perspective goes there's truly no reasons to assume N'was are the strongest.
I'd say PCM > or = Gijimas > Ndhzengas > BDM.
And as far as Ndhzengas chances go, I don't think any of their neighbours are threats, Gijimas are way too down south and have 2 prides already, PCM too west of them and with too big of a territory and 3 prides, and the BDM can't even properly oust Mohawk, challenge S8 or give any trouble to the Nkuhuma pride, and when they got a golden chance of taking Amahle out, they barely did anything to him.
If Nkhulus don't attack them and some new KNP lions show up, the only potential threat would be the NK coalition in 1,5+ year from now, but a lot can happen in 1,5+ year.
@WildRev nonsense? Read above, Gijimas sucessfully chased off 5 Nkhulus and the prime Delaporte male, meanwhile Ndhzengas, when they were still 4, were chased off by 2 Bboys, a coalition that at their prime ran from 2 old Majingilanes who'd die of old age less than a year after that, all despite Bboys being in their territory and outnumbering Majingis 3 to 2.
They chased and beat 4 Kambulas males and sister, badly injuring one not long ago when 3/4 Kambula malea were already 4,5yo+.
Ndhzengas never did anything nearly as impressive.