(09-06-2023, 12:21 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @criollo2mil only 1 cub, the other one died according to the guide.

Poor lioness always lose her cubs.

(09-06-2023, 06:56 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:

(09-06-2023, 12:21 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @criollo2mil only 1 cub, the other one died according to the guide.

Poor lioness always lose her cubs.

Yeah.  Too bad.   Hopefully she waits until it’s a bit larger to introduce into the pride and avoid any roughhousing from the others

(09-06-2023, 09:30 AM)Mwk85 Wrote:

(09-06-2023, 06:56 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:

(09-06-2023, 12:21 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @criollo2mil only 1 cub, the other one died according to the guide.

Poor lioness always lose her cubs.

Yeah.  Too bad.   Hopefully she waits until it’s a bit larger to introduce into the pride and avoid any roughhousing from the others

Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case. She brought it to the buffalo carcass three of females and older cubs are currently on. At least one of the older cubs was being rather rough with it. Hopefully she'll take it away once she's fed on the carcass, though.

(09-06-2023, 09:30 AM)Mwk85 Wrote:

(09-06-2023, 06:56 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:

(09-06-2023, 12:21 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @criollo2mil only 1 cub, the other one died according to the guide.

Poor lioness always lose her cubs.

Yeah.  Too bad.   Hopefully she waits until it’s a bit larger to introduce into the pride and avoid any roughhousing from the others

Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case. She brought it to the buffalo carcass three of females and older cubs are currently on. At least one of the older cubs was being rather rough with it. Hopefully she'll take it away once she's fed on the carcass, though.

(10-05-2023, 09:09 PM)Potato Wrote: Story of Mhangeni pride missing cubs:

https://assets.ctfassets.net/wds1hqrprqxb/5GkFtjcXSksRHoinV1deAb/e55a9d99c64e747d0e87aaf3dd509a8b/SSS_Wildlife_Journal_September_2023_JH.pdf

(10-06-2023, 12:05 AM)Mapokser Wrote: This is a somehow weird report, so is there 1 cub missing? Since originally before 2 going missing, only 9 was together with the pride in that story.

(06-06-2022, 12:30 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Short history of Mhangeni pride :

Mhangeni pride (or Tsalala breakaway's) are 4 females born early to mid 2009 into Tsalala pride, they where sired by Mapogo lions and where daughters of Tailess and Tailed Tsalala females. 

In mid 2010, Majingilanes overthrown Mapogos in that area, and where pushing for Tsalalas. Young subadults would definitely get killed if they stayed with the pride, but they where still too young to survive on their own. 

Here is where their grandmother, famous first tailess female, BB, steps in. She left her daughters, who accepted Majingilanes and took 4 remaining young sub females, and went nomadic, forming a breakaway

BB successfully raised 4 females to maturity towards 2012, when she returned to her daughters, as young females where old enough to survive on their own now. In beginning of 2013, 4 females started mating with Majingilanes. 

At that time, Tsalala breakaway's where named Mhangeni pride, shortly after they give birth to their first cubs. 

In 2013, Mhangeni females found their grandmother and female who saved their lives, BB, on a kill, they had cubs now and lost connection with her, sadly, they killed her. 

Under protection of prime Majingilane males, Mhangenis successfully raise this generation to maturity. Towards late 2015, females where returning back to estrus and started to mate again. Around that time 6 young females and 3 young males left their mothers and formed breakaway. Those females will later become Kambula pride. 

2nd generation of Majingilane offspring where born from very late 2015 to mid 2016. Large pride and cubs where thriving towards beginning of 2018, just as last generation. 

But with beginning of 2018, unfortuned turn of events. Majingilanes died of from old age, aswell as 1 of the females. Mhangeni females where back into estrus and new males, Bboys, where coming from the north. Females abandon Mhangeni subs and went mating with Bboys. 

There where 12 Mhangeni subs at that time (9 males and 3 females), majority of who where under or just around 2 yrs of age. They went nomadic. 

This is one of the most tragic stories in recent Sabi Sands history. 12 subs where trying their best for whole 2018 to survive, but mange, malnutrition and overall hard nomadic life took its tool. 2 females somehow managed to return and be accepted back by their mothers, rest where not that lucky. By the beginning of 2019, out of the rest, only 1, oldest male survived, he was called Big Boy. He, with his 2 smaller brothers followed Nkuhumas towards the late 2018, his brothers died, but he managed to survive and be accepted by Nkuhumas. He died later on in late 2019. 

As for Mhangenis, they give birth to Bboys offspring soon after in early to mid 2018. But Bboys didn't become their pride males, they chosen bigger Kambula pride, their daughters. 

Towards late 2018, young, nomadic male from Othawa pride started to be seen with Mhangenis, but he didn’t harm young cubs. 

Out of that offspring, only 1 female cub survived towards late 2018, she will be later known as Tinya. 

Young Othawa Male establish himself as dominant male of the pride. From beginning of his dominance over Mhangenis, to his demise in May 2021, he sired numerous cubs in different times, but only 1 cub is still alive today. 

After his demise, Mhangenis are avoiding other males to this day, occasionaly some females move to mate on their own.

Here comes the controversy about Mhangenis, since 2016 offspring to this day, they successfully raise to adulthood only 3 females. That wont be nothing unusual, but, in that span they give birth to very large number off cubs, dont know exact number, but prob more or around 30. 3 out of 30 is not great percentage. 

Regardless, future of Mhangeni pride will be interesting to follow. 

Current status:

- 3 females born in 2009
- 2 females born late 2015 
- 1 female born early 2018
- 1 female cub born 2021