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RE: The Tumbela Coalition - sik94 - 06-24-2022
(06-24-2022, 06:31 PM)1ofCourage Wrote: Nhena and the Nkuhuma male are an added buffer
That's a hell of a buffer for a lone dominant male, that's all I'll say.
RE: The Tumbela Coalition - Duco Ndona - 06-24-2022
I doubt it. In the long term the PCmales have the advantage as Nhenha ages. The Birminghams also seem to prefer to avoid confrontation. Its possible they adopt Ximhungwes semi nomadic lifestyle rather than actively try to protect a territory. So aslong the PCmales dont confront them they will let them be.
So unless the two groups happen to run into eachother and eliminate eachother. They arent going to matter much.
RE: The Tumbela Coalition - BorntobeWild - 06-24-2022
(06-23-2022, 10:33 PM)Tonpa Wrote: A throwback to healthier days, Limper and the Hippo
by Keith Jenkinson
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Thanks for your throwback. How sad to know this powerful and handsome boy died in his prime like that! R.I.P. Limper!
RE: The Tumbela Coalition - RookiePundit - 06-25-2022
If there is actually some genetic issue affecting males that Limper could have passed on, it is a good thing he likely sired only female cubs, if any. It's a sad momment, but not unexpected, at least he experienced life as a dominant male for some time and not just shortly as Scar did. Such a shame, Scar seemed to have potential, if he would have been in better condition and looking at that old footage of a confrontation with some Woud-Be-Tinstswalos, Lambile towers over them and regardless of the two dissapeared brothers, these 4 if relatively healthy would be a considerable force, but that was never to be. Now it is just Skorro. Hopefully he will last long enough to give his cubs enough time to have a decent shot at making adulthood and perhaps then finding partners siimilar way how Nhenha did, after he gets ousted by a bigger coalition eventually, and would successfully move on. Would be nice to have Thanda Impi blood in Sabi Sands despite it carrying well represented Birmingham genes so it is not really unrelated.
RE: The Tumbela Coalition - Duco Ndona - 06-25-2022
The chance of having your genetic legacy passed on is far larger with female cubs than male ones actually.
Afterall. If this litter makes it to adulthood, chances are quite large the girls make it to an old age and have plenty of cubs themselves. Even if some of the lionesses are weaker they have the aid of the pride and future coalitions.
Making sure some bad genes are preserved aswell
The lone male cub... Even if he had brothers its going to be a lot of danger before he gets to even mate. If we are to to entertain the idea of bad genes to the severity of what we saw with the Tumbellas. They are most certainly doomed and it wont spread further.
RE: The Tumbela Coalition - RookiePundit - 06-25-2022
Well, it is a big asumption there is anything genetic in the first place and even exhibited in one sex only. That would mean it is likely located on the XY chromosome pair, i.e. and it is recessive, so the the other gene on X chromosome overrides it in females. Males don't have the second X chromosome and thus don't have the luxury. Assuming this is the case, current female cubs that are not sired by Skorro, who doesn't exhibit the issue and thus would be assumed not to carry the gene, and the number of those cubs could be anywhere from 0 to 4 (not counting the lost 5th daughter), more likely close to zero, as Skorro for sure got first mating rights, so those female cubs if they have it, it should be subdued not being exhibited, according to the theory ot doesn't affect females. Then this generation is unaffected, half of their potential offspring should inherit it (it should gravitate towards 50% but even if the will have long life and breed like rabbits, it would be a statistically small sample and the actual % could wildly vary) - their daughters, about half of them, would be in the same position, and half of the male cubs would be in the same boat as Limper or Scar were.
You are ofc right that if it indeed on the X part of the XY pair, then Limper sons would not be able to inherit it from him, I didn't realize that. It is likely Limper had no sons in Othawa pride (and no surviving sons overall) and the lone male cub is Skorro Jr's boy anyway.
Ofc the genetic of this precondition might be more complex or not genetic at all, could even be that females have something to supressed it but the condition itself is not genetic but acquired syndrome; female are also less likely to feast on buffalo and more so on parts lions go for first, which would greatly reduce chance of acquiring it whatever it is.
RE: The Tumbela Coalition - BigLion39 - 06-25-2022
If the carcuses of Scar and now Limper were found wouldn't they have wanted to do an autopsy to find out what sickness, albeit genetic or acquired, they died from? Seems logical to me that they would want to know?
RE: The Tumbela Coalition - Tr1x24 - 06-25-2022
Its far more likely they contracted some disease like TB or something, when eating together on carcass, then it was genetic issue, altrough its possible.
RE: The Tumbela Coalition - Duco Ndona - 06-25-2022
I agree. Its far more likely some sort of accumulation of issues, like illness, stress, starvation and fight than some genetic illness.
I think they only do autopsies when poaching or poisoning is suspected.
RE: The Tumbela Coalition - Tr1x24 - 06-25-2022
RE: The Tumbela Coalition - criollo2mil - 06-25-2022
The Last Tumbela.
RE: The Tumbela Coalition - criollo2mil - 06-27-2022
Othowas (2:21) and Tumbela shown in this recent update from Savannah:
RE: The Tumbela Coalition - criollo2mil - 06-28-2022
Throwback to August 2021; Skorro Jr.
RE: The Tumbela Coalition - Gabriele - 06-28-2022
RE: The Tumbela Coalition - T I N O - 06-30-2022
The dominant Tumbela males at Inyati Game Lodge
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