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RE: Big Cat Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Pantherinae - 05-22-2018 (05-22-2018, 11:07 PM)AlexE Wrote:Great point..(05-22-2018, 10:55 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:(05-22-2018, 10:30 PM)AlexE Wrote:(05-19-2018, 03:14 AM)Pantherinae Wrote:(05-18-2018, 06:53 PM)AlexE Wrote: Leopard hyena. Hyena almost attacked by leopard RE: Big Cat Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - AlexE - 05-23-2018 (05-22-2018, 11:11 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: @AlexE here is videos of smaller/younger male leopards against massive female hyenas. If it so was a was a fight to death, I think it would be stupid to not put you're money on the larger hyena. if it was a larger leopard it would be way more difficult to predict.Do you mean smaller/younger male leopards. Even a adult lynx can beat a very young kitty leopard. Example: Adult male leopard *This image is copyright of its original author Young male leopard *This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Big Cat Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Pantherinae - 05-23-2018 LClaimed to be first time ever caught on camera in Europe. A wild wolverine fighting a lynx in the northern parts of Norway. Incredible footage, you usually hear the that the wolverines will dominate the Lynx and stealing their kills, but this large male Lynx and no plans of letting the happen and gave the wolverine a good beating. Incredible footage!!!!!!!!! RE: Big Cat Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Rishi - 05-23-2018 (05-22-2018, 11:11 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: @AlexE here is videos of smaller/younger male leopards against massive female hyenas. If it so was a was a fight to death, I think it would be stupid to not put you're money on the larger hyena. if it was a larger leopard it would be way more difficult to predict. Very big female spotted hyena reaches some 70kg. Her leopard counterpart would be a 100kg male! Physically, hyenas might be hardier, but still i wouldn't call them "evenly matched". While they regularly bully smaller leopards i don't suppose we have any records of her being that foolish to even pick-on a big male without backup, let alone turning it into a death duel & winning it. Although an old/sick male leopard shouldn't be too difficult for them to handle... RE: Big Cat Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Pantherinae - 05-23-2018 (05-23-2018, 06:45 AM)Rishi Wrote:A big spotted hyena can be around 90 kg. A big male leopard 90 kg.. some even bigger individuals I'm sure exists of both species.(05-22-2018, 11:11 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: @AlexE here is videos of smaller/younger male leopards against massive female hyenas. If it so was a was a fight to death, I think it would be stupid to not put you're money on the larger hyena. if it was a larger leopard it would be way more difficult to predict. Female hyenas in Zambia will average at around 70 kg. They are criminally underrated in size and high ranked individuals can be extremely aggressive. A big hyena will have no problem go head to head with even the biggest male leopard. As single spotted hyenas have gone head to head with lionesses and won. RE: Big Cat Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Pantherinae - 05-23-2018 @Rishi Here is a single hyena fighting off a lone lioness. Again these are the Okavango hyenas. She looks as big as the lioness. I have no doubt hyenas here can reach weights around 100 kg's. You think this one would avoid a leopard? I can't see any leopard kill a hyena like this. I'm not biased at all, but hyenas are just made of steel and when they grow this big they are a tough opponent even for a lioness. RE: Big Cat Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Rishi - 05-23-2018 @Pantherinae Nice! And thanks. I didn't know that much about their size. Leopards have been known in multiple cases to have survived onslaught of multiple lionesses too. I guess the prime specimens of both species would be evenly matched indeed. Still, it's the "universal law of bullying" that you go after softer individuals & not the ones that would fight back with equal ferocity! Guess that's why it's so rare that we're even discussing it right now. Or else there'd be enough cases to present & immediately put an end to this debate. (That lioness thing was clearly a weird exception... Both were too desperately hungry to bother about each other?) RE: Big Cat Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Pantherinae - 05-23-2018 (05-23-2018, 07:14 AM)Rishi Wrote: @Pantherinae Nice!Yes Leopards are ferocious animals and I have seen them put on impressive displays of defense against lionesses. Lions have tendency of not killing leopards when they corner them.. even male lions sometimes let's the leopard live, it's strange (I think a tiger would kill a leopard 100 out of a 100 times). The reason I used lioness mauling as an example for the toughness of the hyena is that unlike a lightning fast leopard that can lay on his back with four sets of claws and a jaw full of long sharp teeth, the hyena only has their jaws. So you can see several lionesses bite and claw on the hyena and still the hyena will often walk away relatively fine, it proves how much punishment a hyena is capable of taking, so for a leopard killing one would be a very hard task. Trust me the leopard is a much bigger personal favorite of mine than the spotted hyena (I even prefer the striped hyena). But I've learned to look at it more fair over the years and started to appreciate things for how they are. I could be a fanatic myself, but let's face it sometimes you are dead wrong. I was certain that a lone lion would beat a tiger (basically because I wanted too), but now I think it's more a 50/50 and if I had to give an edge I would for sure give it to the tiger, I was also sure a leopard would smash a hyena, my whole school book was covered with drawings of leopards killing hyenas, but again now I lean towards 50/50 and I actually believe I would slightly favor a big hyena over a big leopard if I had too. I mean why should the world work just like you would want it to work. Some things you like might not always be as great as another thing you like a little less, but that doesn't mean it's bad. And it saddens me when I see people talk trash about beautiful animals just so that they can prove their favorite animal is superior.. it's pathetic! All species that are mainly discussed here on this forum are immensely powerful predators, that are amazing in their own way, and all should be protected from the threat our species pose for them. And the last part I fully agree with! It's correct they (big individuals) will certainly avoid each other, they don't care for putting on a show for all of us on all different forum, to end our debates, they fight to survive and they will at all costs avoid a fight with a deadly foe! :) RE: Big Cat Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Rishi - 05-23-2018 (05-23-2018, 08:15 AM)Pantherinae Wrote: Yes Leopards are ferocious animals and I have seen them put on impressive displays of defense against lionesses. Lions have tendency of not killing leopards when they corner them.. even male lions sometimes let's the leopard live, it's strange (I think a tiger would kill a leopard 100 out of a 100 times). Not much is known about leopards & tigers. We have tons of footage of leopard taking a refugee on trees, but only two cases of what happens when they fail to do so in time... Once is where Sariska tigress kills what seems like a young male leopard. Another is this old one (At the very end, from 8:50): Just because leopards prefer to run for their dear lives, people seem to underestimate the extent can they go to hold on to said dear lives when cornered! That's probably the reason... RE: Big Cat Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - sanjay - 05-23-2018 A lioness trying to overpower a leopard RE: Big Cat Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - leopard - 05-24-2018 (05-23-2018, 11:58 PM)sanjay Wrote: A lioness trying to overpower a leopard Incredible encounter! I absolutely love interactions between these two apex predators. Leopards are one of the few animals that can fend off lion attacks. If any of you have more footage of these kind of encounters, feel free to share them with me. RE: Big Cat Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Shir Babr - 05-24-2018 (05-23-2018, 07:05 AM)Pantherinae Wrote: @Rishi Here is a single hyena fighting off a lone lioness. Again these are the Okavango hyenas. She looks as big as the lioness. I have no doubt hyenas here can reach weights around 100 kg's. You think this one would avoid a leopard? Looks like an impala carcass too me, and it looks big compared to the lioness, which would mean the lioness is not adult or is bellow average. 100 kg hyenas? What makes you so sure when 86 kg is the heaviest reliable weight? RE: Big Cat Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Rishi - 05-24-2018 (05-24-2018, 02:27 PM)Shir Babr Wrote: 100 kg hyenas? What makes you so sure when 86 kg is the heaviest reliable weight? Well, they are very stout & do grow almost as large as the largest leopard. Although not confirmed, there is a possibility that such specimens exist... RE: Big Cat Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Pckts - 05-24-2018 (05-24-2018, 02:47 PM)Rishi Wrote:(05-24-2018, 02:27 PM)Shir Babr Wrote: 100 kg hyenas? What makes you so sure when 86 kg is the heaviest reliable weight? The odds that humans have some how managed to find the largest specimen of any living species and weighed them are extremely slim. There are thousands of them yet we’ve managed to find the largest with the 100 individuals or so that have been measured? Those odds aren’t very likely, It’s not easy to track any wild animal let alone sedate and measure the biggest to ever live. RE: Big Cat Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - leopard - 05-24-2018 *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author The leopard isn't dead btw, it just waited until the lions left (which they did eventually). |