ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - Printable Version +- WildFact (https://wildfact.com/forum) +-- Forum: Premier Section (https://wildfact.com/forum/forum-premier-section) +--- Forum: Edge of Extinction (https://wildfact.com/forum/forum-edge-of-extinction) +--- Thread: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) (/topic-on-the-edge-of-extinction-b-the-lion-panthera-leo) |
RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - GrizzlyClaws - 11-04-2018 Does this mean that the Lionzilla was actually a Barbary lion? Since Egypt belonged to the former range of the Barbary lion. RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - GuateGojira - 11-04-2018 Is posible, and that also may explain the large skull in the sample of J. H. Mazák for the Barbary population in his document about the skull of lions. However, until know, the only sure thing is that this animal was from Egypt, and probably from captive origin which will explain the great size and expecially the great wide of the skull. RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - GrizzlyClaws - 11-04-2018 (11-04-2018, 12:55 PM)GuateGojira Wrote: Is posible, and that also may explain the large skull in the sample of J. H. Mazák for the Barbary population in his document about the skull of lions. However, until know, the only sure thing is that this animal was from Egypt, and probably from captive origin which will explain the great size and expecially the great wide of the skull. If it belonged to the Barbary lion which was also known for having proportionally wider skull. This may also explain the variation of size within the Barbary lion populations. Some population with more available food sources may grow larger than others, just like the difference between the Sub-Sarahan lion. RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - johnny rex - 11-04-2018 (11-04-2018, 11:37 AM)GuateGojira Wrote: Wow, well done @johnny rex!!! Ok, let's take a look to these pictures. Did you take it, or it was another person? No, this skull is not mine. The other day I asked the owner of the Lionzilla skull to measure the skull with the same measurement method like the previous slightly exceeded 12-inch wide liger skull that was posted somewhere in this forum. In conclusion, both male tigers and lions attained the same skull dimensions. Remember the 15.75 inch long and 11.5 inch wide tiger skull? The tiger skull and this Lionzilla skull got the same skull width with the lion skull being a little bit longer. I'm not sure if this skull is the same as the Egyptian specimen, because the owner of the skull cast said the lion was shot in the 50s-60s according to the owner of the original skull. I'm still not sure. RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - johnny rex - 11-04-2018 Anyway, we just have to wait for the real measurements of Altai's skull. RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - BorneanTiger - 11-11-2018 (11-04-2018, 12:03 PM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: Does this mean that the Lionzilla was actually a Barbary lion? Though the Barbary lion of North Africa is the same subspecies as other formerly described subspecies, such as the Asiatic (https://web.archive.org/web/20070808182526/http://www.adelaide.edu.au/acad/publications/papers/Barnett%20PRS%20lions.pdf) and West African lions (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep30807?WT.feed_name=subjects_evolution; Page 72: https://repository.si.edu/bitstream/handle/10088/32616/A_revised_Felidae_Taxonomy_CatNews.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y), Egypt has another formerly described subspecies which, unlike the Atlas lion, did not inhabit the rather temperate region of the Atlas Mountains, but the desert region of Nubia, which Egypt shares with Sudan. This was the Nubian lion (Panthera leo nubica), whose scientific name was often used for the East African lion (formerly Panthera leo massaica: https://web.archive.org/web/20170728131140/http://www.science.smith.edu/msi/pdf/762_Panthera_leo.pdf). Nubian lion in New York Zoo, 1903: https://archive.org/stream/annualreportnewy81903newy/#page/n39/mode/1up *This image is copyright of its original author Do you know the MGM lion called 'Jackie'? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SowXXsl8Xys He was said to be from the Nubian desert of Sudan, so there you go, a Nubian lion: https://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2018/06/original_mgm_lion_rests_in_nj_other_historical_tid.html RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - GrizzlyClaws - 11-11-2018 (11-11-2018, 07:58 AM)BorneanTiger Wrote:(11-04-2018, 12:03 PM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: Does this mean that the Lionzilla was actually a Barbary lion? Some assumption suggests that the Northeast African lions were hybrid of the Barbary lions and Nubian lions, since the dark mane was quite prevalent over there. RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - tigerluver - 11-22-2018 Trophy hunting is a very controversial topic. Here we have a study that shows moratoriums on hunting can have a major beneficial effect in just 3 years: Quantifying lion (Panthera leo) demographic response following a three-year moratorium on trophy hunting The most important statistics from the work in my opinion: "Closed mark-recapture models revealed a large increase in lion abundance during the hunting moratorium, from 116 lions in 2012 immediately preceding the moratorium to 209 lions in the last year of the moratorium. More cubs were produced each year of the moratorium than in any year with trophy hunting. Lion demographics shifted from a male-depleted population consisting mostly of adult (≥4 years) females to a younger population with more (>29%) adult males." RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - johnny rex - 11-22-2018 (11-22-2018, 11:46 PM)tigerluver Wrote: Trophy hunting is a very controversial topic. Here we have a study that shows moratoriums on hunting can have a major beneficial effect in just 3 years: What do you think of the Lionzilla skull? Any thoughts? RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - tigerluver - 11-23-2018 (11-22-2018, 11:56 PM)johnny rex Wrote:(11-22-2018, 11:46 PM)tigerluver Wrote: Trophy hunting is a very controversial topic. Here we have a study that shows moratoriums on hunting can have a major beneficial effect in just 3 years: I don’t see any odd features from the skull itself other than its exceptional size. If the mandible can be found we could perhaps see if the specimen had signs of acromegaly. RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - johnny rex - 11-23-2018 Here are the other pictures of the exceptional Lionzilla skull, @tigerluver . The picture at the bottom is a comparison between an average adult male lion skull measuring total score 24.5", the Lionzilla skull and a Siberian tiger skull cast measuring total score 25.5". The Lionzilla skull seems to have very pronounced zygomatic arches. [attachment=1558] [attachment=1557] [attachment=1559] [attachment=1560] [attachment=1561] [attachment=1562] RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - johnny rex - 11-23-2018 [attachment=1563] A skull size comparison between Lionzilla skull and the 15.75 inches long and 11.5 inches wide tiger skull, with Lionzilla skull being a little bit longer. RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - Smilodon-Rex - 12-17-2018 Guys, do you have any full information about 260kg male lion in Etosha national park? *This image is copyright of its original author
RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - Smilodon-Rex - 12-22-2018 *This image is copyright of its original author Lion body measurements *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author
RE: ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo) - BorneanTiger - 12-22-2018 (12-22-2018, 03:58 PM)Smilodon-Rex Wrote: The mane is depicted at its maximum, looks Barbaryish or Capish: Barbary lion (Panthera leo leo) by Joseph Bassett Holder: https://digitalcollections.nypl.org/items/510d47da-47e0-a3d9-e040-e00a18064a99# *This image is copyright of its original author Cape lions (Panthera leo melanochaitus) by Alfred Brehm: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20129/20129-h/20129-h.htm *This image is copyright of its original author
|