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RE: Konda's true death? - Apollo - 07-23-2014
(07-23-2014, 01:34 AM)'Pckts' Wrote: Here is another talking about Munna true sizethuetruyen123456789 5 months ago None of the tigers you mention can even hope to match Wagdoh male in terms of sheer size. And this collared male of kanha is noticeably bigger than wagdoh. One of the most experienced naturalists who has worked at kanha for years and also visited tadoba frequently, has seen both this collared male and wagdoh male, and his response was this collared male is bigger and taller than Wagdoh. He also said if he had to match, then this collared male and Munna the CAT of Kanha matched closely, but Munna is more aggressive and powerful and happens to be his favorite.
I think the above poster you quoted is the same "AsianBuffalo" guy.
He seems to have several accounts.
The collared tiger mentioned above in the quote is none other than Pattwewala male
Regarding the Naturalist he mentioned is "Ravi Naidu"
I have told you the same thing on my earlier post on Kanha tigers and Munna.
Ive also posted his indian nature watch profile.
Ill give his facebook profile link and you can directly contact him and clarify stuffs
https://www.facebook.com/ravi.naidu1
RE: Konda's true death? - Pckts - 07-23-2014
Infact copters, what is your resume?
I see you live in Canada which is far far away from india, you speak in sarcastic toungue, not something learned in india, as well as always speaking this way with no hint of accent.
So I am curious, you downgrade others but what makes your claims more believable?
Its a fair question, is it not?
RE: Konda's true death? - Pckts - 07-23-2014
So that proves that Munna is a massive male, does it not? But that is another topic on a different thread. Im more curious about what really happened to Konda.
Thanks for the link, I remember you mentioning that you thought it was him.
I have no idea if the thetruyen is asianbuffalo or not, he could be.
TFS Apollo
RE: Konda's true death? - TheLioness - 07-23-2014
Munna does not impressive me as some other males posted in the munna overrated size topic, I agree with roflcopters on his knowledge and information on tigers. I also believe munna did not have any part in kondas death, if it were true he would have been seen before and after like the link 7 brothers as well as possibly running into the brothers as well.
Konda is massive and looks to be more impressive animal than munna, pictures speak for themsevles yes but the size difference between him and females is less impressive than other males that roflcopters and apollo mentioned and showed, munna only looks impressive in that one picture with the link 7 female? However just because people state she is a large tigress, her size is unknown and i doubt she is very much larger than the females with the other male tigers mentioned and showed by other posters.
This is just my opinion from what ive read between the three of you and I came to my conclusion roflcopters is correct.
However I think your should stick on topic pckts, not every tiger topic should include how big munna is and stuff, sadly I'm getting rather annoyed with how often he is being talked about, there is far more interesting tigers than him, raja, starmale, leopardface, wagdoh, ect.
Munna?
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Konda, looks to be younger in first picture, someone can hel me out if thats correct.
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One of the males that killed konda believed, banda.
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It would suprise me at all that it took two males to defeat mighty konda.
RE: Konda's true death? - Pckts - 07-23-2014
Ok, whatever you say. Munna dwarfing the Link 7 female means what exactly?
Munna walking in front of jeeps looking massive, come on.
I should stick to the topic?
You just wrote a paragraph on Munna size, don't be a hypocrite.
Any way, more photographers speaking on Munna's death Dhritiman Mukherjee
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wrote,@10-01-2008 18:07:59He died in a teritorial fight with his own son
(when asked how Konda died^^)
http://www.indianaturewatch.net/displayimage.php?id=35810
RE: Konda's true death? - Pckts - 07-23-2014
And selectively posting one picture does nothing to change the fact that Munna looks every bit as large
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.Lioness, if you don't want to talk about Munna then feel free and start a thread about any other tigers you mentioned. There are already tons that exact on Raja or Waghdoh, should be really easy to find.
RE: Konda's true death? - TheLioness - 07-23-2014
That was the first time I mentioned his size compared to other tigers, however you post it in every topic on here and it is getting rather old.
He does not look as impressive as konda, munna is no were near 300kg and probably closer to 200kg, 220kg I don't know for sure, peter and guate state even experts have a hard time judging by just pictures.
Three years before his death, konda appears very large compared to the tigress, even at a young age. I believe munna is being highly overestimated here. I believe is a good size smaller than konda and even banda looks more impressive to me.
Anyways thats all I have to say on that subject, if you want to continue with his size talk please quote me in the topic about him.
As for kondas death, I believe poaching at the time of his death was rather high correct? They did never find his body, he just vannished.
Not selective posting, showing them in the same postures pretty much, still the pictures you just posted do not impressive me, he is thin armed and not as thick all around as the other males you believe are smaller? Konda and Banda are more impressive built for sure.
RE: Konda's true death? - Pckts - 07-23-2014
Ya "closer to 200kg??" [img]images/smilies/dodgy.gif[/img]
Ok, nice logic. I guess he able to defeat Patewala and Naak Male being 80kg smaller?
"You believe" doesn't mean anything compared actual eye witness accounts already said the opposite. And there is NO way you can determine if Munna is larger or smaller than other tigers mentioned because his images show him to be every bit as massive as any other tiger photographed.
And btw the way, I have made 1 topic, the Munna size topic was created by Copters.
So I could honestly care less if its getting "old" considering it is brought forth actual eye witness accounts, images, videos and expierences on these tigers. So once again, if you are interested in other tigers, go ahead and post about them. If people are tired of discussing these tigers, Im sure they would be happy to discuss whatever new topics you bring forth.
If you want to continue this debate, then write it in the other topic, don't post it here, its not my job to quote you somewhere else.
RE: Konda's true death? - Apollo - 07-23-2014
(07-23-2014, 01:59 AM)'Pckts' Wrote: It does and it doesn't, no links to any eye witnesses saying that, and no eye witnesses of any fight between them. Multiple photographers specifically stating different things, none of which state how he was killed. Just because a tiger is dominate over his sons or challengers one day doesn't mean he will forever, especially in a 2 year time frame.
In regards to Munna, there is definitely no over exageration, he is a massive tiger. Not up for debate, to many photos, videos and eye witness accounts confirm it. Just use your eyes, he massive.
How many territorial fights have really been viewed between tigers ?
The answer is very very few.
Have anyone seen B2 vs Bokha, Bamera vs Bokha, Mukunda vs Bokha, Waghdoh vs Yeda anna, Raja vs Agasthya, T42 vs T36 etc etc fights
No not at all.
But these fights were found based on clues, time frame, location, injuries etc
Many people said that Konda was killed by his sons, because initially many thought Link 7 brothers were Konda's son (but they were not).
Some said it was Pattewala male but unforunately he was not seen around the crime scene.
Konda ruled Kisli from 2004 to 2008 till his death.
RE: Konda's true death? - Apollo - 07-23-2014
(07-23-2014, 02:24 AM)'TheLioness' Wrote: One of the males that killed konda believed, banda.
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It would suprise me at all that it took two males to defeat mighty konda.
The above male is one of the Link 7 brothers who killed Konda.
But he was not Banda, he is Bhima.
Both the Link 7 brothers were sons of Banda.
RE: Konda's true death? - TheLioness - 07-23-2014
Thanks for clearing that up for me apollo.
RE: Konda's true death? - Roflcopters - 07-23-2014
Quote:He does not look as impressive as konda, munna is no were near 300kg and probably closer to 200kg, 220kg I don't know for sure, peter and guate state even experts have a hard time judging by just pictures.
I agree. [img]images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img]
RE: Male tiger konda's true death reason? - Pckts - 07-23-2014
(07-23-2014, 02:55 AM)'Apollo' Wrote:(07-23-2014, 01:59 AM)'Pckts' Wrote: It does and it doesn't, no links to any eye witnesses saying that, and no eye witnesses of any fight between them. Multiple photographers specifically stating different things, none of which state how he was killed. Just because a tiger is dominate over his sons or challengers one day doesn't mean he will forever, especially in a 2 year time frame.
In regards to Munna, there is definitely no over exageration, he is a massive tiger. Not up for debate, to many photos, videos and eye witness accounts confirm it. Just use your eyes, he massive.
How many territorial fights have really been viewed between tigers ?
The answer is very very few.
Have anyone seen B2 vs Bokha, Bamera vs Bokha, Mukunda vs Bokha, Waghdoh vs Yeda anna, Raja vs Agasthya, T42 vs T36 etc etc fights
No not at all.
But these fights were found based on clues, time frame, location, injuries etc
Many people said that Konda was killed by his sons, because initially many thought Link 7 brothers were Konda's son (but they were not).
Some said it was Pattewala male but unforunately he was not seen around the crime scene.
Konda ruled Kisli from 2004 to 2008 till his death.
I haven't seen anybody say he was killed by his two sons, I have seen many people say he was killed by his "son" or another Tiger or Munna.
Always one tiger, so that all I can go off of, and that is why I don't think he was killed by "both sons" who you named, If you have any of these people names and link to them saying he was killed by his two sons, I would love to see them.
RE: Male tiger konda's true death reason? - Pckts - 07-23-2014
(07-23-2014, 05:32 AM)'Roflcopters' Wrote:Quote:He does not look as impressive as konda, munna is no were near 300kg and probably closer to 200kg, 220kg I don't know for sure, peter and guate state even experts have a hard time judging by just pictures.
I agree. [img]images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img]
Sure you do [img]images/smilies/dodgy.gif[/img]
RE: Male tiger konda's true death reason? - Apollo - 07-23-2014
(07-23-2014, 06:35 PM)'Pckts' Wrote:(07-23-2014, 02:55 AM)'Apollo' Wrote:(07-23-2014, 01:59 AM)'Pckts' Wrote: It does and it doesn't, no links to any eye witnesses saying that, and no eye witnesses of any fight between them. Multiple photographers specifically stating different things, none of which state how he was killed. Just because a tiger is dominate over his sons or challengers one day doesn't mean he will forever, especially in a 2 year time frame.
In regards to Munna, there is definitely no over exageration, he is a massive tiger. Not up for debate, to many photos, videos and eye witness accounts confirm it. Just use your eyes, he massive.
How many territorial fights have really been viewed between tigers ?
The answer is very very few.
Have anyone seen B2 vs Bokha, Bamera vs Bokha, Mukunda vs Bokha, Waghdoh vs Yeda anna, Raja vs Agasthya, T42 vs T36 etc etc fights
No not at all.
But these fights were found based on clues, time frame, location, injuries etc
Many people said that Konda was killed by his sons, because initially many thought Link 7 brothers were Konda's son (but they were not).
Some said it was Pattewala male but unforunately he was not seen around the crime scene.
Konda ruled Kisli from 2004 to 2008 till his death.
I haven't seen anybody say he was killed by his two sons, I have seen many people say he was killed by his "son" or another Tiger or Munna.
Always one tiger, so that all I can go off of, and that is why I don't think he was killed by "both sons" who you named, If you have any of these people names and link to them saying he was killed by his two sons, I would love to see them.
Let me make it simple for you.
Both Link 7 brothers were intially thought to be Konda's son.
Both Link 7 brothers were in that area before and after Konda's death.
Both Link 7 brothers settled in Kisli after Konda's death.
And after some time the dominant male (Bhima) kicked out his brother Arjun (collared one) from Kisli.
Arjun then moved to Kanha meadows.
Bhima became the dominant male in Kisli (not Munna or Pattewala, so as claimed by your sources if Munna or Pattewala had killed Konda then they should have taken over his territory and not the Link 7 brothers).
People started calling Bhima the son who killed the father (Konda).
So the point to remember here is that both brothers were together during Konda's death and they got seperated later.
Regarding Munna, he is a big male tiger. I never said he is a small tiger.
But his size was over exaggerated by the diehard Munna fans.
They try to make Munna a Ngandong tiger.