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RE: N'waswitshaka males - Tr1x24 - 11-15-2021
By the looks of it, only Gore returned south, while other stayed around Londolozi/MalaMala (not sure in which area) description of Gore sighting from Sabi Sabi is that he was answering to lion calls from the east.
Hope we get some update for N'ws, it will be almost a week without any updates, just few pictures of Wide Nose and Amahle from MalaMala near/on carcass they took from Kambula subs on 13th.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Hairy tummy - 11-15-2021
Yep, be great to know whats going on after all the commotion last week
RE: N'waswitshaka males - WildRev - 11-16-2021
Ubuso/Wide Nose yesterday at Londolozi, looks fine
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Tr1x24 - 11-16-2021
(11-16-2021, 06:30 PM)WildRev Wrote: Ubuso/Wide Nose yesterday at Londolozi, looks fine
So word from Gerry Van Der Walt that 1 had bite marks in the back was true afterall, it doesnt look too serious tho.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - lionuk - 11-17-2021
All four of the males together and bonding. Dunno when this was filmed, though it was uploaded today.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - WildRev - 11-17-2021
It was filmed last week
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Thierry - 11-17-2021
(11-16-2021, 08:54 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: So word from Gerry Van Der Walt that 1 had bite marks in the back was true afterall, it doesnt look too serious tho.These injuries, on the back of his legs, can suggest a fight, anyway. This is not a place where lions habitually bite each other, when they fight for the right to mate, or when they do so for food.
What's your opinion ?
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RE: N'waswitshaka males - WildRev - 11-17-2021
Ubuso at malamala, date not given
RE: N'waswitshaka males - WildRev - 11-17-2021
Amahle at Sabi sabi this morning, injury still a little swollen
RE: N'waswitshaka males - T I N O - 11-17-2021
We found one of the four N’waswishaka male lions lying in a small open area. He was calling, seemingly trying to find the rest of his pride, and after a few attempts his ears pricked up and so did ours as we could hear another lion calling far off into the distance, and it was not long after that he stood up and began making his way in that direction.
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RE: N'waswitshaka males - Tr1x24 - 11-17-2021
(11-17-2021, 04:19 AM)Thierry Wrote: These injuries, on the back of his legs, can suggest a fight, anyway. This is not a place where lions habitually bite each other, when they fight for the right to mate, or when they do so for food.
What's your opinion ?
As I said before, in my opinion, theres 1% chance that Avocas attacked Wide Nose, as evidence show (Avocas seen next day far away and without fresh injuries/scars, which is impossible if they grabed 1 adult male, but all 3 N'ws with scars, Amahle limping, OE with blood on his face, Wide Nose scars, Kambula female with blood also, which indicates that they where all in fight.. Amahle seen chasing WideNose and female in the night, fight definitely happened between the 2 for a female, also injuries on Wide Nose would be much worse even if Avocas hold him only for 10 sec etc.)
Bites in this areas in between coalitions or prides dont happen often but they happen, in the heat of a moment, and fight between 3 males for a female, its easly that 1 male bites Wide Nose from behind, just as someone bited Amahle, who looks to be worse then Wide Nosed injuries.
To me its clear fight over a female, unless they fight someone else, maybe Kambula subadults, or Bboys, but i doubt that.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Gijima - 11-17-2021
(11-17-2021, 09:37 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(11-17-2021, 04:19 AM)Thierry Wrote: These injuries, on the back of his legs, can suggest a fight, anyway. This is not a place where lions habitually bite each other, when they fight for the right to mate, or when they do so for food.
What's your opinion ?
As I said before, in my opinion, theres 1% chance that Avocas attacked Wide Nose, as evidence show (Avocas seen next day far away and without fresh injuries/scars, which is impossible if they grabed 1 adult male, but all 3 N'ws with scars, Amahle limping, OE with blood on his face, Wide Nose scars, Kambula female with blood also, which indicates that they where all in fight.. Amahle seen chasing WideNose and female in the night, fight definitely happened between the 2 for a female, also injuries on Wide Nose would be much worse even if Avocas hold him only for 10 sec etc.)
Bites in this areas in between coalitions or prides dont happen often but they happen, in the heat of a moment, and fight between 3 males for a female, its easly that 1 male bites Wide Nose from behind, just as someone bited Amahle, who looks to be worse then Wide Nosed injuries.
To me its clear fight over a female, unless they fight someone else, maybe Kambula subadults, or Bboys, but i doubt that.
“maybe Kambula subadults, or Bboys, but i doubt that.”
Come on dude, they didn’t fight the Bboys?? Lol why not throw in DM and Southern Avocas into the mix too if we’re bringing up random lions who were nowhere near the area.
If they fought males it’s the Avocas, but at this point without further evidence we don’t need to speculate.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Duco Ndona - 11-18-2021
That is assuming there werent some nomads around.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Gijima - 11-18-2021
@"Timbavati" are any reports or sources nescessary to post on this fourm? Or can people say whatever they want? Because we have actual reports of where all the lions were and I think we should delete posts that cause unnecessary confusion when sources directly contradict what people are saying.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - BA0701 - 11-18-2021
(06-25-2021, 04:59 PM)lionuk Wrote:(06-20-2021, 04:01 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(06-20-2021, 12:22 AM)lionuk Wrote: Do you know when those three old N'was males died?
Last one was seen in 2018. They where born around 2006/7. They sired 2 generations of cubs in Nwaswitshaka pride, in 2012 and 2015/16.
Speaking of the first generation of cubs that were born in 2012, do you have any information on them?
(11-18-2021, 01:03 AM)Gijima Wrote: @"Timbavati" are any reports or sources nescessary to post on this fourm? Or can people say whatever they want? Because we have actual reports of where all the lions were and I think we should delete posts that cause unnecessary confusion when sources directly contradict what people are saying.
Speculation and opinion is an unfortunate necessity, when discussing a subject as dynamic and fluid as wildlife. Especially when you consider that the active information we receive from those on the ground can often times be sparse, or even contradicting. I have not seen anyone declaring anything as fact, simply expressing their opinions, or speculating on possibilities. I believe we all wish things were better, that the information we receive could come a little faster, and be less contradicting with others, so in an imperfect system, we do the best we can with the information we have. I truly see no way, under the current system of how we receive our information, to avoid opinion and speculation in these types of discussions.
However, we have had a recent rash of discussions that have started derailing threads, in the form of lengthy debates over those opinions and speculations, and this needs to stop. We encourage debate, and discussions, and people are free to question others, but moving forward, if those discussions become lengthy and pointed between two individual users, we would ask that folks please carry those continued conversations over to PMs, moving forward. Thank you, to everyone, for your understanding on this matter!