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RE: Hybrids - nobody - 01-29-2019
Tiliger
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The tiliger is a hybrid cross between a male tiger (Panthera tigris) and a ligress (which is the hybrid offspring of a male lion and female tiger). The world's first tiligers were born on 16 August 2007 at Greater Wynnewood Exotic Animal Park in Wynnewood, Oklahoma.[citation needed]
Although male tigons and ligers are sterile, female hybrids can produce cubs. As with ligers, tiligers grow to a size that is typically larger than either of their tiger and lion forebears. Large males can grow up to 400 kg and 3.50 meters in length, while the females may grow up to 250 kg and 3 meters in length.
Tiliger Male vs Tigress
RE: Hybrids - brotherbear - 01-29-2019
This is interesting although hybrids serve no purpose. ( that I know of ).
RE: Hybrids - Shadow - 01-29-2019
(01-29-2019, 03:46 AM)brotherbear Wrote: This is interesting although hybrids serve no purpose. ( that I know of ).
Well, at least we can see what it looks like if big cat is 400 kg. Comparing these hybrids to other big cats we can all make our estimations, if 400 kg tigers in past are realistic weights or exaggerations. It would be very interesting to see comparisons what comes to skulls and bones etc. I think, that some hybrids have died already in old age.
RE: Hybrids - brotherbear - 01-29-2019
(01-29-2019, 03:57 AM)Shadow Wrote:(01-29-2019, 03:46 AM)brotherbear Wrote: This is interesting although hybrids serve no purpose. ( that I know of ).
Well, at least we can see what it looks like if big cat is 400 kg. Comparing these hybrids to other big cats we can all make our estimations, if 400 kg tigers in past are realistic weights or exaggerations. It would be very interesting to see comparisons what comes to skulls and bones etc. I think, that some hybrids have died already in old age.
Perhaps too, if these captive cats were allowed proper exercise and fed on a healthy diet, we might learn of the physical capabilities of the huge Pleistocene cats of a similar size.
RE: Hybridization in Panthera subspecies - Siegfried - 02-15-2019
This was a pretty good thought provoking post from several years back, if I do say so myself.
Any additional thoughts?
RE: Hybrids - Luipaard - 04-18-2019
Leopard-jaguar hybrid:
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A zonkey, a weird breed produced by humans. - animalfan6 - 06-20-2019
This is a zonkey, a weird breed produced by humans, in captivity. I am wondering how they breed two different species and it does not have defects? By the way I am a new member!
RE: A zonkey, a weird breed produced by humans. - Rishi - 06-20-2019
(06-20-2019, 03:21 AM)animalfan6 Wrote: [attachment=2819
This is a zonkey, created in captivity. I am wondering how they breed two different species and it does not have defects. By the way I am a new member!
Welcome to the forum!
They do have birth-defects very frequently, most are sterile. Although the unpredictability is high as some ligers & tigons are known to be fertile & farther gives liligers or litigons.
Mothers often abandons these babies as well.
However people have perfected crossbreeding horses & donkeys to give mules over thousands of years. Some breeds are kept for that breeding purpose only.
RE: A zonkey, a weird breed produced by humans. - animalfan6 - 06-20-2019
Thank you rishi!
RE: A zonkey, a weird breed produced by humans. - Shadow - 06-20-2019
(06-20-2019, 03:21 AM)animalfan6 Wrote: [attachment=2819
This is a zonkey, created in captivity. I am wondering how they breed two different species and it does not have defects. By the way I am a new member!
Aaahhhh, finally! I have waited for excuse to share this photo in some thread for some time and now I got it. This attached photo was, what crossed my mind immediately, when I read the word zonkey (don´t take too seriously
Thanks @animalfan6 !!
RE: A zonkey, a weird breed produced by humans. - animalfan6 - 06-20-2019
Your welcome shadow!
Ligers, tigons and other mixed breed cats! - animalfan6 - 06-26-2019
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Male liger with mane.
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Male liger without mane
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Male tigon
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A leopard- jaguar mix
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A jaglion.
Post any other pictures and info here!
RE: Hybridization in Panthera subspecies - BorneanTiger - 07-03-2019
Even the Cat Specialist Group, which mostly liked to argue in 2017 that the tiger is divided into only 2 subspecies, the Mainland Asian Panthera tigris tigris and Sunda Islands' Panthera tigris sondaica (pages 66–68 (https://repository.si.edu/bitstream/handle/10088/32616/A_revised_Felidae_Taxonomy_CatNews.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y), except that 2 CSG members later rebelled against this decision by contributing to a study in 2018 which insisted that even mainland Asian populations such as Bengal and Siberian tigers are genetically different enough to be treated as different subspecies: https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(18)31214-4?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0960982218312144%3Fshowall%3Dtrue), admitted the possibility of hybridisationof the Northern and Southern lion subspecies, which they referred to as Panthera leo leo and Panthera leo melanochaita respectively, in the Northeast African country of Ethiopia in page 72 (https://repository.si.edu/bitstream/handle/10088/32616/A_revised_Felidae_Taxonomy_CatNews.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y), more details here (https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-north-east-central-equatorial-african-lions):
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Even if the case is that both subspecies are simply present in Northeast Africa, without mating with each other to produce hybrid lions, the trouble is that one definition of subspecies is that two populations within the same species are supposed to be both genetically and geographically distinct (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subspecies), as I mentioned here (https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-on-the-edge-of-extinction-a-the-tiger-panthera-tigris?page=151), but that's not the case for Northern and Southern lions in Northeast Africa, at least, with the ranges of the 2 genetic groups nearly overlapping in northeastern D. R. Congo in Central Africa: https://www.nature.com/articles/srep30807?WT.feed_name=subjects_evolution
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A Northeast African lion in Bale Mountains National Park, Ethiopia: https://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/animals/rare-black-maned-ethiopian-lion-caught-on-video.aspx
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A Central African lion in Virunga National Park, northeastern D. R. Congo, adjacent to Queen Elizabeth National Park in the East African country of Uganda: https://savevirunga.com/2012/07/02/1-000-reasons-save-virunga-10/
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Abyssinian lion at New York Zoological Gardens, 1914: https://archive.org/stream/annualreportnewy191914newy/#page/36/mode/1up
Northern subspecies (Panthera leo leo),
Southern subspecies (Panthera leo melanochaita), or
hybrid (Panthera leo leo × Panthera leo melanochaita)?
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RE: Interspecies hybrids: natural & artificial - parvez - 07-23-2019
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RE: Hybrids - Sully - 10-24-2019
A rare wild hybrid, a cross between the red lechwe and waterbuck
https://africageographic.com/blog/a-wild-hybrid-antelope-in-botswana/
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