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RE: Big herbivores! - Spalea - 10-09-2019
Amboseli National Park, Kenya: clearly a famous place where to see some big elephants...
RE: Big herbivores! - Pckts - 10-13-2019
RE: Big herbivores! - Pckts - 10-16-2019
RE: Big herbivores! - Spalea - 10-16-2019
I seriously believe that animals invented the stoicism... Elk under the cold rain.
RE: Big herbivores! - Pckts - 10-16-2019
(10-16-2019, 03:26 PM)Spalea Wrote: I seriously believe that animals invented the stoicism... Elk under the cold rain.
Bull Moose
RE: Big herbivores! - Spalea - 10-16-2019
@Pckts :
" Bull Moose " ? Yes, ok, in the french-english dictionary the word "élan" has two different translations in english, elk and moose. But, of course, without any explanation !
But after having watched through google, the dictionary iss wrong. Elk (caribou) and moose (élan) aren't the same beast.
RE: Big herbivores! - Spalea - 10-18-2019
Dereck Joubert: " They take their first wobbly steps just an hour or so after birth. A few hours after that, they’ll begin nursing. By the age of two months, they’re ready to try some tentative foraging … but they’ll be dependent on their mother, and continue suckling, for a good while still. Watching these youngsters grow and stamp their way forward into the world stirs up so much hope in us … hope for a different – safer, kinder – future, one in which humans and the species who share our planet can genuinely coexist. ".
RE: Big herbivores! - Spalea - 10-20-2019
Monument and memory... Very impressive ! Amboseli, Kenya.
RE: Big herbivores! - Sully - 10-24-2019
Updated geographic range maps for giraffe in sub-Saharan Africa. Image courtesy of O’connor et al. (2019)
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https://t.co/gxBBZUj8P8?amp=1
RE: Big herbivores! - Spalea - 10-24-2019
Monumental white Rhino... Solio Lodge, Kenya.
RE: Big herbivores! - Spalea - 10-25-2019
The magic of the black and white photo...
RE: Big herbivores! - BorneanTiger - 10-27-2019
See my new thread about camels and camelids (including alpacas, vicuñas, guanacos and llamas): https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-camels-and-camelids-including-alpacas-vicuñas-guanacos-and-llamas
RE: Big herbivores! - Spalea - 10-29-2019
Resting moose...
RE: Big herbivores! - Lycaon - 11-01-2019
Leo Foundation
Giant eland bull in Cameroon.
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RE: Big herbivores! - Rishi - 11-02-2019
Sanjay Gubbi
Yesterday at 10:23 AM ·
It’s very normal to see stone carvings of wildlife such as tiger, wild pig, elephant, bonnet macaque, snakes and others animals in Indian temples. It shows the relationship of animals (both wild and domesticated) with people.
But I was highly intrigued to see the carving of what mostly looks like a giraffe in the Saavira Kambada Basadi, a Jain temple in Moodbidre, in southern India. The construction of this enchanting temple was initiated in the year 1430 CE and took 31 years to complete.
The shape, height, neck, face, hooves, ossicones (cartilage covered with skin), tail all indicate that it’s a giraffe. More interesting is that it’s depicted as a draught animal for ploughing! I am not sure if giraffes have ever been domesticated and used in their native homeland as draught animals. Why did they carve a giraffe in an Indian temple? Had the craftsmen seen a giraffe as the proportions of this carved exotic animal is quite accurate (except for the tail)? Though this was the first time I noticed a giraffe in an Indian temple, there are a couple of more such documentation in other temples.
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From another source on this Topic;
Note on Giraffe Sculptures in India
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Taken from: Animals in Stone: Indian Mammals Sculptured Through Time By Alexandra Anna Enrica van der Geer
On Konark Sun Temple, Orissa, India.
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Mallikarjuna temple at Srisailam, Andhra Pradesh
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A young Camel resembles the giraffe
The earliest possible evidence in stone of a giraffe has been recognized on the southern plinth of the platform of the Sun temple at Konarak, Orissa (c. 1238–1258). Konarak was an important harbour at India's eastern coast at that time and foreign ships surely passed by. The scene in Konarak has been explained as a foreign delegation with a giraffe. Admittedly, the animal's neck is extremely long and its back slopes. On the other hand, the animal is too small, no coat pattern is indicated, and the presence of horns is not sure, though there is a lot of erosion in that area. If indeed such a delegation ever took place at the port of Konarak, then the artist never saw the animal, and modelled the relief upon a description or a drawing. Though it cannot be entirely excluded that the animal is a giraffe or okapi indeed, other explanations should be considered as well.
The size and overall appearance fits a young dromedary equally well with its relatively longer neck than in the adult. Dromedaries naturally do not occur in eastern India and would have presented an equally exotic but surely less expensive gift. Dromedaries were not portrayed on Orissan temples, which indicates that they were indeed unknown and therefore exotic. The relief on the Sun Temple has been restored, and the much eroded animal of the original panel resembles a giraffe much less than the restored panel.
The second reference to a 'giraffe' is provided by the exterior wall of the Mallikarjuna temple at Srisailam, Andhra Pradesh (sixteenth century). Among a row of animals, the two to the left are giraffe-like with their long neck, steeping back short tail, but they are followed by dromedaries with badly depicted hump, which is too flat, too elongated, giving the impression of a high back. The size of the 'giraffe' is too small with a withers' height of only about 1.5 time that of the accompanying man; the horns are further lacking, and no coat pattern seems to have been indicated. The identification is therefore not sure. Most likely, the frieze simply figures a caravan consisting of adult dromedaries with their young, walking from the port to their destination. Dromedaries had to be imported, because they do not occur naturally in eastern and southern India. It can therefore reasonably be expected that the depicted specimens are not very realistic. A similar long-necked, medium-sized animal with steep back, and no horns is seen on the Hosabasti at Mudbidri, Karnataka (first half of the fifteenth century) and on the basis of the western wall of the peristyle of the Vitthalasvamin temple at Hampi.
Is it possible that a giraffe, a strictly African mammal, has been portrayed on the Indian subcontinent? Some scholars are convinced that this is indeed the case, but studying the history and examining the evidences carefully, this is hard to prove. It appears that the rare examples of giraffes in medieval Indian painting are copied from Arabian bestiaries.
The even more rare stone depictions are, if not mythical, at their best interpretations of giraffe descriptions, in which only the typical long neck and steeping hindquarters survived. It is far more likely, however, that these strange giraffe-like animals in stone are just young dromedaries. They, too, had to be imported to southern and eastern India. With their very tall limbs and equally tall neck they have a strange and exotic appearance, especially when standing upright and browsing a tree. This is confirmed by a frieze from Andhra Pradesh on which the 'giraffe' is accompanied by adult dromedaries. Dromedaries, together with horses, were imported into the south to be used in warfare, but without much success.
Personal note:
Carvings of "giraffes" on same building structure seem quite differentfrom camels to me... with prominent S-shaped necks & clear humps, against raised necks & sloped backs. Not to mention the hump is also present on young camels.
But it could be bad representation.
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