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RE: Big herbivores! - Shadow - 01-10-2019 Starting of this video.... and some people say, that male lions can´t hunt alone But same time showing how close call it is between success and severe, even fatal injury. As do many other situations in that video, if interested to watch all of it. Of course many have seen all of those situations before, but I hadn´t that first occasion right in start of that video, maybe something new for someone else too. RE: Big herbivores! - Pckts - 01-10-2019 (01-10-2019, 10:45 PM)Pckts Wrote:Here's my thread on my visit(01-10-2019, 09:43 PM)Jimmy Wrote:(01-10-2019, 09:27 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: Here in the first 02:15 of this video from Givskud zoo in Denmark, this cape buffalo is the boss of the savannah exhibit there. When I was there they stod and waited patiently until he had finished eating.It's amazing how the animal normally behaves in the wild changes completely in another situation, buffalo seem to be lower on hierarchy in the wild than white rhinos, I think even black rhinos but here it is opposite, the rhino is clearly bigger more powerful but buffalo shows tenacious willingness to fight back it's insane, on the other video similar thing seems to have developed, zoo keeper tells Gaurs would challenge Indian rhinos and unafraid of anything, fascinating!!! https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-trip-to-the-san-diego-safari-park?highlight=san+diego RE: Big herbivores! - Pckts - 01-10-2019 Tusker and Gaur together at a Salt Lick. RE: Big herbivores! - Pantherinae - 01-10-2019 (01-10-2019, 10:54 PM)Pckts Wrote:(01-10-2019, 10:45 PM)Pckts Wrote:Here's my thread on my visit(01-10-2019, 09:43 PM)Jimmy Wrote:(01-10-2019, 09:27 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: Here in the first 02:15 of this video from Givskud zoo in Denmark, this cape buffalo is the boss of the savannah exhibit there. When I was there they stod and waited patiently until he had finished eating.It's amazing how the animal normally behaves in the wild changes completely in another situation, buffalo seem to be lower on hierarchy in the wild than white rhinos, I think even black rhinos but here it is opposite, the rhino is clearly bigger more powerful but buffalo shows tenacious willingness to fight back it's insane, on the other video similar thing seems to have developed, zoo keeper tells Gaurs would challenge Indian rhinos and unafraid of anything, fascinating!!! Very intersting read pckts. I have always been told that Cape buffalos where the most aggressive bovid in all parks that I have been where they keep several bovid species. The cape bull in Borås zoo in Sweeden (which almost killed me a few years back), Had to be removed because of it’s aggression towards the elephants! And would try to kill every other animal on the savannah. Interesting to hear about the gaurs aggression, I heard somwhere that water buffalos are the dominant between the two where the co-exisit, I have only seen them in two parks, they are impressive as hell, especially the height strikes you! RE: Big herbivores! - Pckts - 01-11-2019 (01-10-2019, 11:59 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:(01-10-2019, 10:54 PM)Pckts Wrote:(01-10-2019, 10:45 PM)Pckts Wrote:Here's my thread on my visit(01-10-2019, 09:43 PM)Jimmy Wrote:(01-10-2019, 09:27 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: Here in the first 02:15 of this video from Givskud zoo in Denmark, this cape buffalo is the boss of the savannah exhibit there. When I was there they stod and waited patiently until he had finished eating.It's amazing how the animal normally behaves in the wild changes completely in another situation, buffalo seem to be lower on hierarchy in the wild than white rhinos, I think even black rhinos but here it is opposite, the rhino is clearly bigger more powerful but buffalo shows tenacious willingness to fight back it's insane, on the other video similar thing seems to have developed, zoo keeper tells Gaurs would challenge Indian rhinos and unafraid of anything, fascinating!!! I have yet to see a single image of Gaur and Waterbuffalo together, I have my doubts that any can claim dominance between the two based off of so little. In captivity you know how it goes, every animal will have it's own personality but in the wild size dominates all, of course there are outliers here and there but we all know an Angry Rhino, Hippo or Ellie is shoving around any Bovine. RE: Big herbivores! - Pantherinae - 01-11-2019 (01-11-2019, 12:03 AM)LPckts Wrote:(01-10-2019, 11:59 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:(01-10-2019, 10:54 PM)Pckts Wrote:(01-10-2019, 10:45 PM)Pckts Wrote:Here's my thread on my visit(01-10-2019, 09:43 PM)Jimmy Wrote:(01-10-2019, 09:27 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: Here in the first 02:15 of this video from Givskud zoo in Denmark, this cape buffalo is the boss of the savannah exhibit there. When I was there they stod and waited patiently until he had finished eating.It's amazing how the animal normally behaves in the wild changes completely in another situation, buffalo seem to be lower on hierarchy in the wild than white rhinos, I think even black rhinos but here it is opposite, the rhino is clearly bigger more powerful but buffalo shows tenacious willingness to fight back it's insane, on the other video similar thing seems to have developed, zoo keeper tells Gaurs would challenge Indian rhinos and unafraid of anything, fascinating!!! Well then I have something that will make you happy! A gaur and a water buffalo *This image is copyright of its original author I don't know where it was, but it was conversation between two where one lived in an area where both species lived, and he said the Water Buffalo was dominant, but equally powerful animals I guess can both push one another around. No bovid can match those (elephants, Rhino and hippo) for sure. RE: Big herbivores! - Pckts - 01-11-2019 (01-11-2019, 12:26 AM)Pantherinae Wrote:(01-11-2019, 12:03 AM)LPckts Wrote:(01-10-2019, 11:59 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:(01-10-2019, 10:54 PM)Pckts Wrote:(01-10-2019, 10:45 PM)Pckts Wrote:Here's my thread on my visit(01-10-2019, 09:43 PM)Jimmy Wrote:(01-10-2019, 09:27 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: Here in the first 02:15 of this video from Givskud zoo in Denmark, this cape buffalo is the boss of the savannah exhibit there. When I was there they stod and waited patiently until he had finished eating.It's amazing how the animal normally behaves in the wild changes completely in another situation, buffalo seem to be lower on hierarchy in the wild than white rhinos, I think even black rhinos but here it is opposite, the rhino is clearly bigger more powerful but buffalo shows tenacious willingness to fight back it's insane, on the other video similar thing seems to have developed, zoo keeper tells Gaurs would challenge Indian rhinos and unafraid of anything, fascinating!!! I thought this was the Photoshopped image? Also, I'd like to know where he lives, since they only overlap in a couple of places and Gaurs are hardly seen in Kaziranga and Nepal, at least in comparison to C. India from what I understand, @Rishi and @Jimmy can shed more light on this I'm sure, South East Asia may be a different story but that is where Gaurs are at their largest so again, I'd love to see some more info on this if possible. But I have no doubt that 2 so closely sized Bovines would certainly have wins and losses between them if they ever did encounter eachother, I said the same about Capes, even though at their Largest, the Gaur is the Larger bovine for sure there still is serious overlap between the 2 and I see no reason why either couldn't assert dominance over the other at times. RE: Big herbivores! - Spalea - 01-11-2019 @Pantherinae : About #398: The rhinos were placid, the buffalos quite aggressiv but unable to realize that the rhinos are much more powerful than themselves. When the rhino is excited there is no match... Is it stupidity ? Even the solidarity between the buffalos is lacking in these movies... RE: Big herbivores! - Pantherinae - 01-11-2019 @Pckts I don't remember where he lived, just remember a person saying that in conversation a couple of years ago, because I had never heard about them interacting before. But it was on some kind of forum. Yeah I think the two buffalo's would definitely give the gaur a match. RE: Big herbivores! - Pckts - 01-11-2019 (01-11-2019, 02:02 AM)Pantherinae Wrote: @Pckts I don't remember where he lived, just remember a person saying that in conversation a couple of years ago, because I had never heard about them interacting before. But it was on some kind of forum.Not really much to go off of there. RE: Big herbivores! - Pantherinae - 01-11-2019 (01-11-2019, 02:14 AM)Pckts Wrote:(01-11-2019, 02:02 AM)Pantherinae Wrote: @Pckts I don't remember where he lived, just remember a person saying that in conversation a couple of years ago, because I had never heard about them interacting before. But it was on some kind of forum.Not really much to go off of there. I think the image is photoshopped... sadly. No as I said I do not have much, I just remember hearing it once from one person. RE: Big herbivores! - Pantherinae - 01-11-2019 *This image is copyright of its original author Eland bull! RE: Big herbivores! - Jimmy - 01-11-2019 @Pckts @Pantherinae that was me doing Photoshop, never seen their interaction. There are few places they both live in but it's an irony where one is found in good numbers, the other is less numerous. Maybe Manas national park has potential to carry both. Nepal has 400+ Buffaloes and 400+Gaurs but they are at different parks in terai, Chitwan currently is trying to re-establish wild buffaloes. Regarding fights i don't believe in these captive situation either. To me what is a clear dominance is when one species completely cede their space when another superior species arrives, and that has to be in the wild, for eg- if wild pigs cede the space to stag, stags leave the watering hole when Banteng arrives and Banteng give way to Gaur the hierarchy is clear there is no need of fight, the inferior species tend to leave even if the superior species is a female or infirm individual, for them the species matter and not their condition, carnivores are more cunning and see through their appearance and then capitalize on that. However in those circumstances resource should be absolutely limited other wise sharing not fighting over the resources will occur, that is why you see more herbivores confrontation in Africa mainly for water hole, in Asia they just move few paces away and find their own spot, there is no need for confrontation when there are surplus resources, in Asia such confrontation is possible at the mineral licks which is more concentrated in one place and hierarchy between different species will show cuz of limited resource, again in carnivores resource is scarce like at the hard-earned kill-sites so they will not give them easily. I suspect that will be the case at most times as can be seen in this video also RE: Big herbivores! - Wolverine - 01-11-2019 *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Big herbivores! - Wolverine - 01-11-2019 *This image is copyright of its original author The last great herds on Earth, plains of Serengeti: *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author
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