(11-07-2020, 09:00 PM)Potato Wrote: Unfortunatly it looks like yet another ancounter between Mbiri and Koppies prides took place in which one of the females and two cubs from the Koppies pride has been killed bringing Koppies pride down to one single lionesses and five cubs. Mbiri pride for the past couple of weeks was shifting territory further forth from the logde so from the arena they dominated for the past years. Talamati pride with Dark Mane Avoca also were seen, all in great condition.

Btw yet in regards to recent discussion about Tsalala pride situation. That what just happened in Manyeleti perfectly shows what happens when big pride is shifting its territory into territory of a small pride. Tsalala pride is in even worst position as not only Nkuchuma pride is moving into northern Londolozi, but also Kambula pride is showing themselfs there as well. Most likely it will be getting even worst as Kambula pride will be growing in numbers and sub adults will be forming breakaway. Then Kambulas most likely will be stretching their territory even further and very well migh be showing themselfs in northern Londolozi more often then they just to do.

(11-07-2020, 09:00 PM)Potato Wrote: Unfortunatly it looks like yet another ancounter between Mbiri and Koppies prides took place in which one of the females and two cubs from the Koppies pride has been killed bringing Koppies pride down to one single lionesses and five cubs. Mbiri pride for the past couple of weeks was shifting territory further forth from the logde so from the arena they dominated for the past years. Talamati pride with Dark Mane Avoca also were seen, all in great condition.

Btw yet in regards to recent discussion about Tsalala pride situation. That what just happened in Manyeleti perfectly shows what happens when big pride is shifting its territory into territory of a small pride. Tsalala pride is in even worst position as not only Nkuchuma pride is moving into northern Londolozi, but also Kambula pride is showing themselfs there as well. Most likely it will be getting even worst as Kambula pride will be growing in numbers and sub adults will be forming breakaway. Then Kambulas most likely will be stretching their territory even further and very well migh be showing themselfs in northern Londolozi more often then they just to do.

(11-07-2020, 10:41 PM)Potato Wrote: "Thanks for posting this.. and you’re right, lone lioness are always in danger. I just meant with the Tsalala situation, it’s slightly different since her sub adults older and can get away faster. I think the Koppies always have to stand their ground  and fight because their cubs can’t run away. "

They can not fight back pride of 6 females.

"I’m shocked that the Orpen males not only didn’t protect the Koppies, but fed on her? This is a pride they associate with.... they should have recognized her in some way? I’m not saying lions should grieve like humans do but the whole behavior of Junior of having cubs and abandoning them to the point where he doesn’t even associate with his former pride, and treats them like an enemy, is sad."

Perhaps Orpens haven't been on the spot when fight took place and just fed on Koppies female after she was already dead. It would be indeed very strange behavior if Orpens participate in killing Koppies female

(11-07-2020, 10:56 PM)Slayerd Wrote:

(11-07-2020, 10:41 PM)Potato Wrote: "Thanks for posting this.. and you’re right, lone lioness are always in danger. I just meant with the Tsalala situation, it’s slightly different since her sub adults older and can get away faster. I think the Koppies always have to stand their ground  and fight because their cubs can’t run away. "

They can not fight back pride of 6 females.

"I’m shocked that the Orpen males not only didn’t protect the Koppies, but fed on her? This is a pride they associate with.... they should have recognized her in some way? I’m not saying lions should grieve like humans do but the whole behavior of Junior of having cubs and abandoning them to the point where he doesn’t even associate with his former pride, and treats them like an enemy, is sad."

Perhaps Orpens haven't been on the spot when fight took place and just fed on Koppies female after she was already dead. It would be indeed very strange behavior if Orpens participate in killing Koppies female

Nhenha and Tinyo fought off 6 big females who are known to be extremely aggressive not once but twice protecting another female from the pride. First the Mangheni lioness in 2018 and the Tsalala female this year. The first time Nhenha did it solo because his other brother was attacking the Mangheni and he still managed to save her. No reason, Junior couldn't have done the same. I geuss Bboys are just more capable at handling this type of situation whilst Junior clearly isn't. Also the Tsalala lioness is in danger to a certain extent but unlike with Junior, if Nhenha and Tinyo are present, they will save their lioness as we have see before.

(11-07-2020, 11:09 PM)Potato Wrote:

(11-07-2020, 10:56 PM)Slayerd Wrote:

(11-07-2020, 10:41 PM)Potato Wrote: "Thanks for posting this.. and you’re right, lone lioness are always in danger. I just meant with the Tsalala situation, it’s slightly different since her sub adults older and can get away faster. I think the Koppies always have to stand their ground  and fight because their cubs can’t run away. "

They can not fight back pride of 6 females.

"I’m shocked that the Orpen males not only didn’t protect the Koppies, but fed on her? This is a pride they associate with.... they should have recognized her in some way? I’m not saying lions should grieve like humans do but the whole behavior of Junior of having cubs and abandoning them to the point where he doesn’t even associate with his former pride, and treats them like an enemy, is sad."

Perhaps Orpens haven't been on the spot when fight took place and just fed on Koppies female after she was already dead. It would be indeed very strange behavior if Orpens participate in killing Koppies female

Nhenha and Tinyo fought off 6 big females who are known to be extremely aggressive not once but twice protecting another female from the pride. First the Mangheni lioness in 2018 and the Tsalala female this year. The first time Nhenha did it solo because his other brother was attacking the Mangheni and he still managed to save her. No reason, Junior couldn't have done the same. I geuss Bboys are just more capable at handling this type of situation whilst Junior clearly isn't. Also the Tsalala lioness is in danger to a certain extent but unlike with Junior, if Nhenha and Tinyo are present, they will save their lioness as we have see before.

Oo course even Junior on his own could chasse whole Mbiri pride if he want and if he would be on the scene. I meant that two females can't fight back 6 females. Males vs females is different story.

(11-08-2020, 01:03 AM)Gijima Wrote: I’m sorry but Nhenha didn’t physically fight off 6 females to protect the Tsalala female. He was not even near her. He could have ran up and chased all of them away but instead she was stranded against the cliff for hours defending herself against two females and Tinyo. I give 90% of the credit to Tsalala female for protecting her own self, and maybe 10% to Tinyo. This is not to knock your favorite lion Slayard but I hate exaggerations because it takes away credit from whom credit it due.... those girls fought tooth and nail to survive with very little help from any male (as most females do). And in the Tsalala females case it was Tinyo who was mildly helpful. 


There is only one incident I know of where a male PHYSICALLY protected a female. GM from Majingilanes. I’m sure everyones seen this video but not only pulled his brother off the female but stayed with her all night (almost keeping her company and roaring with her while she passed away). This is definitely not the norm, but still good to see that some males do protect their females. :

(11-08-2020, 01:10 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Theres no evidence that Junior or Buddy was with Mbiris when that females was killed, they most likely wasnt, or where near by.. so stop assuming things... 

Also, even when 1 coalition is dominant over 2 prides, when those prides collied that doesnt matter, even when males are there, they are mostly peacekeppers, but not always succesfull.. 6 females can kill single lioness in half a minute..

(11-08-2020, 01:14 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(11-08-2020, 01:03 AM)Gijima Wrote: I’m sorry but Nhenha didn’t physically fight off 6 females to protect the Tsalala female. He was not even near her. He could have ran up and chased all of them away but instead she was stranded against the cliff for hours defending herself against two females and Tinyo. I give 90% of the credit to Tsalala female for protecting her own self, and maybe 10% to Tinyo. This is not to knock your favorite lion Slayard but I hate exaggerations because it takes away credit from whom credit it due.... those girls fought tooth and nail to survive with very little help from any male (as most females do). And in the Tsalala females case it was Tinyo who was mildly helpful. 


There is only one incident I know of where a male PHYSICALLY protected a female. GM from Majingilanes. I’m sure everyones seen this video but not only pulled his brother off the female but stayed with her all night (almost keeping her company and roaring with her while she passed away). This is definitely not the norm, but still good to see that some males do protect their females. :

100% correct, Tsalala female only survived because she was against a cliff, so females couldn't grabe her from behind, otherwise she would be death by now, regardless of Nhenha being there.. Nhenha definitely tried to help and did a bit, but he would not be able to save it...

(11-07-2020, 08:52 PM)This was back in August 28th 2020 when they were attacked the first time by the Mribi females and luckily they were all okay. Now the things changed. Wrote: Tragic New for the Koppies Pride? | On the Beat in the Manyeleti #129
Junior Nkuhuma was eating her body